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Now, who does Dedra know that can be relied on to do the wrong thing all the time…

I think we’re going to see Syril working as an agent provocateur on Gorman where he and Cassian will cross paths.

Clearly the music has a wide cultural influence amongst the old world as it's played at Mon's Wedding.

And Cassian likes it as a location for laying low, although he gets unlucky.

I would have picked Niamos over Hoth

Disclaimer: I am not here to discuss or theorise on the futures of Dedra and Syril but rather to prove my point with what has been revealed as of now (first 3 episodes)

I honestly believe that Dedra actually does love Syril(as much as she can). I’ve seen speculation that she does not really love him but instead is using him or will pin fault on him later, but I don’t think that is true or plausible as of the first three episodes in season 2. Here is why:

She was genuinely nervous about meeting Syril’s mom as we can see from

1. Her contemplating what outfit would be best.

2. She was the one who set the table and while the other forks are aligned she messed one up which would not be a mistake she’d make unless rattled

3. Her practice smile in the mirror. Truly unhinged and she is trying to make a good impression when no one is looking

4. Once Syril opens the door she walks forward and her fingers are fidgeting

5. She does make it seem like it would be no problem to get the spiced tea for the Eedy since I imagine the “arcade” is literally downstairs like in one of those new build living complexes with shops and cafes below. Wanting to appease Eedy

6. Before they sit down to eat she exchanges a look with Syril in an almost “oh my god I messed up” way (probably also a bit of “oh I get it now”)

7. She says it’s fine that Eedy is dripping even though I’m sure that it was 100% not fine

8. Got the food(cake it think) she knew Eedy would like

So she had nerves about making a good impression and I don’t think she would have if she didn’t actually love Syril

The final straw before Syril needed to curl up and pretend he does not exist for a minute, Dedra looks over to him to check his reaction to Eedys final blow and decides she’s had enough. (Speculation on lines ahead) So then we have the very in character threat she makes to Eedy. It’s the wording she uses. Yes Dedra is a controlling person but when she says:

1. “If you want Syril in your life you will think before you speak” it’s because she knows Eedy stresses him and makes him unhappy with her jabs. Can’t have an unhappy evil golden retriever boyfriend

2. Dedra says “our lives” when referring to the anxiety Eedy would cause. She quite literally means their lives because she doesn’t see Syril and herself as independent but as a unit in which his burdens are shared

Dedra isn’t interested in stopping Syril and Eedy contact in order to more easily manipulate and use him. She doesn’t need to be the one stopping the contact because it’s established that Syril will not engage with his mother unless absolutely necessary. She is basically saying “we both know your son doesn’t call or visit unless I remind or convince him too, if I stop doing that we both know he won’t do it on his own.”

The cherry on top of this is that she doesn’t make a threat in front of Syril. She waits for him to leave and the conversation is done so he won’t hear. She doesn’t want him to know she is the one who changed his mother’s attitude towards him, which is very uncharacteristic as Dedra takes credit for all that she does successfully. Syril comes back shocked that they are now seemingly getting along and is like “I don’t know what, but something happened here…” in true stereotypical stressed-out-by-mother boyfriend/husband fashion

Dedra and Syril are definitely evil but this doesn’t mean that they are incapable of their weird evil version of love where I’m 100% sure when Syril princess mononoked her in season 1 and she was like “don’t ever speak to me again I hate you for all time” that was the biggest flirting I’ve ever seen. And Syril saved her from likely death… but minor details

Thank you for coming to my Tedtalk on why Dedra is a romantic in her own evil weirdo way

P.S. Something that is highly speculative on my part to add is perhaps there is more than one reason Dedra does not want to be assigned the position on Ghorman. Possible consideration for her life with Syril being disrupted but again this is not supported with what information we have been given so far. I don’t think it would be true unless specifically stated by Dedra.

Note: in Princess Mononoke the main character(Ashitaka) is being held at knife point by San(PM) and tells her she is beautiful which throw San off her rhythm and flees

https://preview.redd.it/spl65c7azlxe1.png?width=1913&format=png&auto=webp&s=58841bee85167e94e886e566cb058fdf055eb8f5

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhfUNPoq-p0

The credits say

Chandrilan Betrothal Song by Nicholas Britell

who's done Succession and S01 amongst others. I'm guessing hold out for the ost..

are there any?

That is what I think this season will build too. That is all.

I thought they would drop rn am I wrong?

In just a few weeks, we will know all that we need to. All the episodes will have been screened, all the arcs complete, the story finally finishes.

But I must say, this past year or so has been such a great pleasure. Chatting star wars stuff analysing aspects of people's speeches, marvelling at costumes , settings, characters - the writing of every beautiful monologue and each little aside.

I make no mistake about the fact this series was an absolute gift to those old enough to have enjoyed the OT as children and to a whole new generation of critical thinkers, film and TV theorists and Sci fi and political drama fans the world over.

Honestly, it's been nothing short of magical. I'd forgotten what that 'Star wars spice' tasted like and having this chance to share it with so many others is genuinely one of the joys that has helped alleviate the daily package of anxieties.

Through all the realism and excellence of this show, I never thought I'd find myself hankering for just one line more than anything else:

||Somehow Brasso Survived'||

Seeing the writing on the wall with Gorman likely happening in this next arc, and Mon having to leave her family behind, what do we think happens to Perrin? I’ll admit I’m not up on the whole secret rebel theory but I do believe he’ll be shown in a better light.

My best guess is that when Mothma is forced to depart, Leida is kept alive and unharmed so she can denounce her mother as a dissenter. Perrin however, with the focus he’s been getting, seems slated for death. My guess is that he’s tortured for information, most of which he’s unable to give due to Mon’s secrecy. However, when the chips are down and he’s finally pressed for something he can tell, such as his wife’s associates, he refuses to give it up and dies in custody, with his death probably staged as a suicide and evidence of his guilt.

If they decide not to give him an especially heroic moment, I could see him dying in the confusion when troopers raid their home. With him belligerently and genuinely denying any wrongdoing on the part of his wife and being shot while attempting to forcefully expel them using Mon’s authority. This would be the route to go if they want more pathos in the scene, with his death being a result of Mon’s secrecy and his own lack of knowledge to her schemes. In this scenario he dies a confused victim of machinations he was ignorant to, still convinced of his wife’s innocence.

Ok ladies and gentlemen, I was hesitant to post this but after seeing alot of discourse surrounding the question of what will happen to them, I have decided to add my two cents. One the bad guys go good guys trope is overdone, I want to see bad guys be bad guys. We also get into the banality of evil. I don't know if anyone has read the book Fatherland or watched the movie (You should because they are stellar.) but if you have the story illustrates Syril perfectly, evil is not in your face all the time and earlier I said evil is banal and it truly is, most of us like to think we would be out there fighting evil but the truth is the majority of us would settle into our jobs like Syril and go "well things are the way they are and I can provide for my family so I will do nothing."

Second it would in my opinion serve the story better for one of them to die, whether Dedra or Syril it does not matter and they should be killed by the rebels so they are driven over the edge. After all the rebels just killed someone they love, so naturally this would motivate them to seek vengeance. Then we see how that grief and anger gets turned on the rebels, making them do things that they would probably find questionable originally, but with Syril or Dedra dead they can overlook it, "What we are doing might not be pretty but it has to be done to ensure the rebels are wiped out! They took her from me so now I will become overzealous in stopping them." Personally I think Dedra should die so we see Syril go down that path, a man who arguably would be a good man who now commits evil acts all in the name of justice and order.

I appreciate any feedback and as always please keep this civil. Thank you!!!!

I have a strong hunch that Cassian will return to Yavin IV moon and guide the warring factions to unite in order to kill the monster on Yavin IV. Their cooperation will help lead to the formation of the rebel base on the moon.

First of all the opening scene kind of paralels the first time we see Cassian in Rogue One. Here we see that cassian handles this situation very differently. In Rogue One, hes speaking with his informant and without hesitation guns him down as soon as he thinks that hes getting cold feet. Contrast that with how understanding and compasionate (sincerity debatable) he is with the mechanic who helps him steal the Tie Fighter when she starts to have second thoughts. I definitely think leaving her alive is going to come back to bite him in the ass down the line, which will lead into his approach in Rogue One.

So then he steals the ship and goes to drop it off on Yavin 4, but the guy he's supposed to be giving the fighter to isnt there, and we learn that guy was a part of the Maya Pei group, which has since been basically wiped out. So now hes being help prisoner by a group of rebel survivors who are all just at eachothers throats. And the thing I love about this (besides it being very funny at times) is that it kind of shows us how the rebellion works before the formation of the Rebel Alliance, and as a consequence shows us why the Rebel Alliance was so necessary. Even if all of the different groups and factions are allied on paper, them being separate factions make communication and cooperation between the groups SO much more difficult, as seen by them having no idea who Cassian is and having no way to know they can trust him.

Another thing I love is the framing device of how we learn about these groups at the same pace as Cassian. In the first season we hear about these groups, Maya Pei's group, the Ghorman Front, but we really know next to nothing about them, which kind of mirrors what your perception would be if you were an aspiring independent fighter in this setting. You have a rough knowledge that these groups are out there, but you have no real way of interacting with them because of the Empires ever watching intelligence network. And so now we're seeing this separation start to break down, because we are becoming more aware of the allies we have.

I also love the lore implications we get from this. An what i mean by that is: if you take a look at the Alliance in the original trilogy and in Rogue One, they are an EXTREMELY professional organization compared to the rebels we see here, which might seem kind of at odds with how we view them as a guerrila fighting force. But I think just looking at Maya Pei's group makes it very clear why that is. In Maya Pei's group, nobody knows whos in charge. The moment Maya is gone, there entire group is in complete dissaray. It takes three days for them to all start shooting eachother. So this extremely heirarchical structure the modern rebels obey makes much more sense considering the faliures they probably saw in groups like Maya Pei's.

And I gotta say, I love the part after they split up and the fog sets in, and they send a guy out into the fog to try and see what the other group is doing, and he comes back and says, "Yeah, theyre using a bunch of ropes to try and turn the tie fighters cannons towards us." That was just kind of hilarious.

While all of this is happening, we see that Bix Brausso, and Wil have basically become migrant farmers on this planet called Mina-Rau. I'm gonna address this immediately, because this is obvious to everybody with two brain cells to rub together immedately understands that this is a commentary on modern politics. More specifically, you can kind of tell that this was written under the assumption that Trump was going to win reelection in 2024. I don't think this is the cleanest, most even analogy you could go with. At first I was kind of thinking to myself, well hold on, does it really make that much sense for the empire to have strict immigration policy? Because during this period of time, this is a unipolar galaxy. There is one government, one nation, so shouldn't this be treated the same way as somebody moving from Iowa to Utah? Thats what you would think at first. But I think once you peel back the ideology of the empire, it all kind of makes sense. Its all arbitrary. Its not about keeping people to their place of origin, its about placing restrictions on peoples freedom. Its funny, because throughout the whole process of fucking Space ICE going from farm to farm, trying to find undocumented workers, I couldn't help but think to myself that it kinda feels like the checkpoint system in the West Bank. So while its not a perfect analogy to the immigration situation in the USA, i dont think it needs to be.

Lets talk about Bix. See I was aware of the rumor going around that Bix was going to be sexually assaulted by an imperial officer, and to be honest, in my heart of hearts I kinda knew it was true. And I was kind of concered about it at first. The problem I had wad this: Out of all of the characters in season 1, Bix was by far one of the least developed. Which makes sense, in season 1, she is essentially a normal person with an illegal side gig. She's obviously not super fond of the empire, but shes probably not going to willingly die fighting them anytime soon. And with how we see Bix at the end of season 1, after being completely traumatized after being tortured by Dr Gort, I was kind of worried hearing that rumor. I felt like her being raped after being tortured, would be the series kind of turning her into a permenant victim, like she would turn into Cassians designated damsel in distress essentially. And I am delighted to report that I no longer think that is the case.

I think that this situation is very similar to the one that happened to Cassian all the way in the first episode of the series. Cassian is just trying to mind his own business when two corporate police try to abuse their power to rob him, and in defending himself, Cassian accidentally kills one of the cops, then is force to intentionally kill the other. And if you'll remember, that is what set Cassian down this path. And I think that paralells very well with leitwnant krole who keeps trying to come onto Bix over several days, before he corners her in her lodge and trys to force himself on her, and when she defends herself, he ends up being shoved and hitting his head on the corner of a crate. Then she kills the trooper who was essentially acting as a lookout.

What I was worried about initially was that Bix being assaulted would kind of take away her agency in a narrative sense. After all, she basically spent the entire first season in a cell being tortured. But it seems to me like Bix is going to realize what Cassian realized all the way back when he realized when he was imprisoned in Narkina 5: It does not matter how straight I walk. These people are fundamentally dedicated to harming the people around them. The only difference between authoritarianism and war is that in a war, we get to shoot back.

I also want to take a moment to say that the actor who played the Krole did a fantastic job and I hate him for that. From the first scene he was in I immedeately knew that the rumor was true. Hes just so creepy in such an menacing way. The way he looks at women, the way he talks, the phony friendlieness and casualness, it all just goes to paint this picture of this psycopathic serial predator. You can definitely tell, this is not the first time he's done this. Every scene he was in made my skin fucking crawl.

I dont have a ton to say about the Chandrilla segment, other than 1) The reveal at the end, after theyve been having problems with Tay Colma, that Sinta has probably killed and replaced his driver and is now probably going to kill him too is so awesome, and 2) It should have been Chandrilla instead of Alderaan. I fucking hate those people. Also, I think theyre going to start having problems with skulden sooner or later.

Finally, I was pretty shocked that Dedra Meero and Syril Karn are now in a relationship, but honestly I kind of love it. Theyre both just complete sociopaths, theyre perfect for eachother.

Final Score: It was good

Was never a fan of Star Wars. Not against it or anything, it just never sparked my interest.
Then Andor Season 2 rolls out. My fiancee wants to watch it but decides to start by re-watching the last 3 episodes of Season 1 before he gets into Season 2. I haven't watched Season 1 at all but I'm thinking it'll be a nice cuddle on the couch, I'll probably fall asleep, he gets to watch his show, everybody wins.

Cut to me watching 'One Way Out', wide awake, eyes peeled on an epic prison break.
I'm watching Andy Serkis being the baddest mofo, delivering a call to revolt that brings me to tears and then go on to see this figure in the shadows who looks super sus (I don't know who and what is Luthen at this point) delivering the most gut-wrenching and tightly written monologue I have seen in a while.
Reader, it was like I got hit in the face.

That was a week ago. I've watched all of Season 1 twice now, as well as Rogue One and A New Hope.
I'm also listening to the podcast A More Civilized Age because I just need to stay in the world of Andor.

I'm reeling and also feeling like an absolute fool for having only gotten into Andor now. This show is so so so so good. I have no one to talk to about this. My fiancee likes it but I need someone who is OBSESSED with it. My friends and co-workers are watching Severance and The White Lotus and You and I want to shake all of them and be like... ANDOR IS IT.

There really is nothing else to this post other than I just need an outlet to share my excitement and also to get over the shock that I've been living under a rock.

His original motivation was searching for her. Are we going to find out what happened to Kerri?

As a massive fan of what I’ve seen so far this season one thing bugged me. Cassian clearly had trouble at the start flying the ship and seemed to have improved by the time he got to Yavin, landing it pretty well and competently taking off to escape. Next we see him floating in space saying he’s been upside down for two days. Cut to him competently entering the wheat planet’s atmosphere and quite competently taking out a vehicle and a bunch of storm troopers. It just felt like he was good at flying it when it was convenient, not counting the opening.

Make me feel better about this.

You know, it really was a huge risk to humanize willfully involved fascists... more so to make them so interesting and give them so much screen time!

It's not hard to imagine another timeline where the show got lambasted for trying to humanize fascists (doubly so in 2025). But somehow they took that risk and did a perfect job representing what it would be like to be on the inside of a fascist regime. The desire to make a name for yourself by doing more and more inhuman things, the second guessing of the morality of it all, the constant stress of having superiors with total control over you....

Andor is just so fucking wild of a show, it's crazy that it even exists, let alone becoming the best Star Wars has ever been.

Something I just noticed, in episode 3, as Tay is telling Mon that he's leaving early and mentioning that he hopes to get closer to Davo, at *just* that moment, as they're looking at Davo, he is literally talking to two Imperial officers.

To my mind, ramps up the fear even more, and further helps justify Luthen's fear of what Tay and Davo getting closer could lead to, and why he (and, passively Mon) know there's no other option.

Just wanted to put it out there, ok bye

Anybody else really bugged by this scene?

One minute, Cassian can't fly the ship at all. The next minute, he's doing fancy tricks while evading bad guys. C'mon...

But what really annoyed me was the ship being completely indestructible. Slamming into the walls, smashing through the hanger door, and bouncing off the canyon walls like bumper cars. It felt completely absurd. Everything we know about TIE ships went out the window. And just writing it off as an "experimental" ship doesn't work for me.

S1 of Andor did such a great job of feeling believable within its universe. The first action scene of S2 was the complete opposite.

I love this show and am staying optimistic, but I hope this scene isn't a sign of what's to come.

What did Dedra even see in Syril? I’m genuinely serious—he seems like a decent guy and all, but how did his borderline stalker behavior actually win over Dedra of all people? Finding out they were a thing in Episode 2 was a huge surprise for me—a welcome one, since I do ship them—but it always felt more like a fantasy pairing than something that could realistically happen in a grounded story like Andor.

And considering how ambitious Dedra is, how committed she is to the Empire and climbing the ranks, it’s kind of wild that she’d seriously involve herself with someone like Syril—especially when his uncle Harlow is implied to be some shady guy and Syril was involved in a big scandal with Andor. It just doesn’t totally add up.

For me I like how he's not entirely a good person but he isn't bad either. He has morals and is willing help those he cares about no matter the impossible however also he does kill, shady acts that sometimes questionable or leave people behind.But Overall he's a complex character especially since he sacrifice himself on planet scarif which redeem him of his actions

One thing I find interesting if the “Cinta killed that entire family” theory is true, is how it interacts with her backstory. This is a woman who knows exactly what it’s like for someone to kill your mother and father, sister and brother. Yet she did it to someone else. Wonder what it says to who she is, what’s she’s in this for and the like. Is it about being cold heartedly dedicated to the nessicarry? Or is it something else?

Has anyone else noticed a real call out to the Eurythimcs via Niamos?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeMFqkcPYcg

Not taking away from anything. It enhances. And yes, I know that Mon's dance song was composed by two different people, but I think it's neat.

Basically the title. I looked on Apple Podcasts and there's several Andor-themed ones, but none that seem official, like the HBO ones for The Last of Us and Chernobyl.

If not, is there a really solid one? Previous experience with fan podcasts that don't have the creators on as guests are very hit-and-miss (in my opinion).

Thanks!

I’m a huge fan of Conspiracy, the 2001 HBO production about the Wannsee Conference where the Holocaust was decided upon by senior Nazis. It’s a riveting movie despite 90% just being dudes sitting around a conference table talking. Stacked cast led by Kenneth Branagh as Heydrich and Stanley Tucci as Eichmann. Anyway, the parallels of theme with Andor, about the banality of evil and the machinery of oppression all are obvious, but I was really struck how clearly similar in style and tone the S2E1 “Ghorman Operation” planning conference scenes are with Conspiracy. Down to the numerous sidebar conversations between the officers where they’re planning something horrible over coffee and snacks. Did anyone else who’s seen both think this? Has Gilroy or any of the other creators mentioned Conspiracy as an inspiration? I’ve been avoiding the press stuff ahead of S2 since they tend to drop spoilers.

*Fun fact: Tom Hiddleston as a bit part in Conspiracy as a radio operator and looks about 12 years old.

The scene where Syril's mother visits him and Dedra is the show I never knew we all needed (sidebar the fact that they became a couple that's probably the greatest thing so far in the new season).

Who knew them having dinner could be so extraordinarily excellent. And the scene where he just goes and lies down on the bed, oh my goodness.

This is the series we need. This is the natural next follow-up. The real (awkward) lives of the empire.

Is she 16 yet?

At what age does she join the Rebellion for real?

At what age does she wield royal influence? Was she always hidden?