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I am sure this question has been asked a million times over, but I think it would be interesting to discuss what your prevailing theory is about Luthen's fate are after having watched the first 3 episodes of season 2. Is it the same as before or has something changed your mind?

Personally I think his demise will somehow be connected to Mon's escape from coruscant, with Luthen dying whilst the rebel alliance is born.

In A Certain Point of View: Empire Strikes Back, there's an interesting chapter that shows the POV of Rebel Alliance propagandists. Do we think these propagandists used Nemik's manifesto as a recruiting tool? Or if the New Republic published it as a historical document? I hope this is the case. It would be a shame if his voice was lost to history in the SW universe.

Not a super fan here but I love the show. Is it just me or does that Toe Fighter look a lot like Vader’s?

First off, the folks costuming Genevieve O'Reilly need all the Emmy's...

Obviously, with the costuming of Mon Mothma, she's shown to be Chandrilan old money, and pretty well off. It's inspired by Eastern fashion, namely Japanese stylings, which is fitting for some of Lucas' original inspirations for Star Wars.

Someone else noted that her hair is getting shorter as the series progresses, and we know in RotJ, she's in the pixie cut.

Something else I've noted, and it maybe a nothing-burger, but....

Her clothing gets more and more austere as time moves on as we've seen from Clone Wars -> Andor -> Rebels -> Clone Wars -> RotJ

Part of that is likely simply living within her means and being cut off from her fortune. I'd like to submit that it's also a cultural influence on her as well.

By Rogue One/RotJ, it seems pretty clear she doesn't have her husband or daughter around. In the wedding, Leida's braid is cut off as a cultural significant act of Chandrilan marriage.

I submit that why we see her in the garb she's in in RotJ/Rogue One and her short hair, is culturally significant to her. Many cultures see women cutting their hair and having a simple style as a sign of mourning. Further, white is the color of mourning in many Asian cultures, again in Japan, where much of Chandrilan style takes notes from. By Rogue One, she's lost everything--except the Rebellion and the Alliance. That sacrifice is a big reason why so many in the Alliance will ultimately respect and follow her.

did the full season leak ANYWHERE ? man i just can’t wait

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I've seen plenty of people have serious discussions in regards to rape and sexual assault while self-censoring. The only time something will detract from the serious discussion in these cases are people changing the topic to self-censorship.

Everyone knows what these terms mean. They don't lose their seriousness. Stop detracting from the actual discussion - you are the problem.

The last half of that episode has to be one of the best so far? The scene with Mon dancing after Luthen says "How nice for you" and Cinta picking up Tay, which has to happen but at the same time, you get where Tay is coming from. You see perfectly what's at stake and the sacrifices everyone has to make all in one scene. Also, if there's no funeral stone scene for Brasso, I riot.

Anybody else really bugged by this scene?

One minute, Cassian can't fly the ship at all. The next minute, he's doing fancy tricks while evading bad guys. C'mon...

But what really annoyed me was the ship being completely indestructible. Slamming into the walls, smashing through the hanger door, and bouncing off the canyon walls like bumper cars. It felt completely absurd. Everything we know about TIE ships went out the window. And just writing it off as an "experimental" ship doesn't work for me.

S1 of Andor did such a great job of feeling believable within its universe. The first action scene of S2 was the complete opposite.

I love this show and am staying optimistic, but I hope this scene isn't a sign of what's to come.

I don't know if I'm alone this, but so far, I hate the second season. I've tried to research if anyone on the internet sees it my way, but so far I've had no luck. I absolutely adored the first one and finished my rewatch right before starting the second season.

My biggest issue is this: from the first scene of the second season, the tone of everything was completely off and different from the first season. I thought it was insane that they started with this comedic action scene, that was so 'Disney Star Wars' and so unlike Andor. (I always thought that Andor was quite different from anything else Star Wars related produced by Disney). And killing Storm Troopers for laughs? SO unlike Andor. There was never anyone Imperial killed for a joke in the first season. I felt that heavy comedic tone was so present after that scene, it was almost a bit disturbing lol. Of course the first season had it's amusing moments, but they felt well-placed and thought out. Apart from that the first episode didn't really went anywhere interesting as well. I found the scene with Director Krennic, at least the bit where he winks and so on so off as well. In the first season the Imperium was scary & serious, the bureaucracy chilling to watch. It was refreshing (for Star Wars). Cause although fictional, it's fascists we are dealing with. And the show displayed that REALLY well. All that seemed to be lost in this first episode.

The chaotic rebels could have been such an interesting story but if felt like a trope. Everything felt like different tropes.

My partner and I stopped watching after the first episode since we found it so awful, did anyone maybe feel similarly after EP1 but kept watching and found it got better? What are your thoughts?

When Cassian steals the TIE Avenger prototype, is it just me or did anybody else get Clint Eastwood’s Firefox vibes?

The Ghorman Massacre will be done

These 3 episodes have lots of symbolism around word "circle".

In the first episode Andor talking with Niya as she "steps into the circle", Andor is helping her find her inner strength.

Than we have imperial meeting with Krennic in what he calls "the tightest of closed circles"

Later during the wedding ceremony we have that scene where they step into the circle, circle of family.

What Tony wanted to accomplish with Tay Kolma story is to show us how he never actually stepped into the "circle of rebellion", because Mon didn't want to involve him fully, she tried to protect him, and that decision will be why he eventually die. Mon character arc in this season will be her crossing from "fantasy" into the "reality".

Hey! I understand most of the nuances of the Tay Kolma unraveling— but what is the danger of his proximity to Sculdon exactly? And what does Luthen mean by the term “pestering?” Is it that Tay will approach him for a loan and that’s bad? Or that he’s in danger of ratting Mon out to Sculdon? Helppp

Doing a Star Wars story without lightsabers and jedi seems to be a leitmotiv for Gilroy. I think this is a very good thing but Gilroy might have taken a step too far.

Gilroy recently said in an interview that the common man in the galaxy never heard of the jedi, meaning that they shouldn't be in the minds of most people.

This is a bit non-sensical to be honest. The final nail in the coffin of the Republic, the "Reichstag fire" event that allowed Palpatine to take full power was the alleged coup d'Etat perpetrated by the order.

The order was the main target of his address before the Senate (episode III). The jedi are not a forgotten band of wizards but a group the empire presents as the main stain that corrupted the republic.

I don't think they should be seen but they should at least be mentioned in imperial propaganda and in. general discourse

She was raised in an "imperial kinder block" but the empire is only 15 years old at this point! How old is this wunderkind??? 🧐

Tbh I feel this issue all the time in "rebellion period" content. Too many people are too old to have such long imperial backstories

I heard that episodes 4 5 and 6 drop tommorow, is that true?

I’m a sucker for a good monologue and his speech during the escape is second only to Luthen’s “what do I sacrifice” speech in season 1.

It’s entirely possible that his inability to swim truly prevented his escape, but I am really hoping we see him again.

He obviously isn’t in Rogue One which gives me even less hope, but who knows anything can happen.

I found some articles online that heavily hint at a return, but nothing conclusive.

There’s a post on this sub from a couple months ago where folks specifically did not want to see his return, arguing it would be kind of goofy if he just shows up as a rebel soldier and I guess I somewhat agree. It’s not going to be easy to bring him back in a way that does his character justice, but if anyone can do it I think it’s Tony Gilroy.

So do you want to see him come back or are you satisfied with where his story ended?

Garm Bel Iblis https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Garm_Bel_Iblis

I always liked how in the old EU, Bail, Garm, and Mon had a sort of Roman triumvirate going on with the early leadership of the Alliance and how after 0 BBY, Garm lost his trust in Mon, thinking she was grasping for too much control, and continued as a seperate revolution against the Empire.

I've noticed that usually arcs are named for what Andor is doing as the main plot however for these three episodes he isn't in one easily defined mini arc. Personally I think that the Tie arc would work well but I can see that the wedding arc would work too.

It’s not clear how long after Aldhani Casian was arrested, but say it was a month….Ulaf should have been “released.” By the time Andor had been there a month, Ulaf had 43(ish) days left. So, add a month before Cassian was arrested on Niamos….you get about 100 days when the PORD went into effect. Divide that in half, and Ulaf should have been taken off the line about a week before he died.

what does tay want from mothma that causes such breakdown? i know this might sound stupid but i didn’t rewatch S1 but didn’t tay just set her up with the banker to access the her family funds ?

am i onto anything or am i dumb also connection may be the wrong word, maybe parallel

It’s been a long time since a fictional character moved me the way Mon Mothma has. Watching her in Andor genuinely broke my heart.

Part of it is Genevieve O’Reilly’s incredible performance—she brings such quiet depth and weight to every scene—but it’s also because I’ve seen that same expression in my own reflection. The sadness. The isolation. The sheer exhaustion of holding the line when everyone around you seems indifferent, even complicit, as something terrible creeps in.

Mon’s anguish over the apathy of her fellow senators hits me hard. She’s surrounded by people willing to look the other way while fascism takes over the galaxy, and yet she refuses to stop fighting. That feeling of screaming into the void, of trying to calmly and intelligently push back against people—sometimes even family—who treat cruelty or ignorance like it’s no big deal… it’s so real to me (I’m alone on an island politically speaking in my family and with in-laws).

What O’Reilly captures so perfectly is not just Mon’s unshakable moral center, but also the emotional toll of always swimming against the current. The quiet, constant burnout of resistance.

I don’t know if this resonates with anyone else, but watching Mon Mothma carry so much alone made me reflect on the burdens I’ve carried, too. Her strength, her grace, her determination—they make me want to hold onto my own values even more tightly, no matter how hard it gets.

Special Thanks to you all! I know we are in our countdown to the end of this show, but it has been such a privilege to come here and interact with you all about something we all love and respect about this awesome IP!

I got a good tv and quality speakers/subwoofer, and I'm constantly blown away by the show. The cinematography of this show is amazing, the VFX, the sound design, the music... Everything. It's big, every episode feels, sounds and looks like a quality blockbuster movie, I'd pay anything to watch these episodes on the big screen, specially on an IMAX screen, am I the only one?