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Ok I looked up and it seems this have already been discussed a few years ago. I’ve watched twice Andor S1, looking for details and it blew me away. But the sister’s plot, how he doesn’t talk about it anymore makes me wonder. Did I miss something? Sure Marva said everybody died on Kenari but it feels too light, the way it’s directed and delivered. Do you guys think this was it ? Spoilers for S2: season 2 seems to go on a dark path and I think it will be worse and worse, I hope they don’t bring back his sister to break our hearts again

wonder if anyone has any other performances they love from andor cast members? between S1 and S2, "Douglas is cancelled" came out staring Ben Miles aka Tay and he's brilliant in it

… when Tay Kolma said he was feeling under appreciated, especially with his life falling apart, that he meant he wanted to be brought into the inner circle. Less soliciting a bribe/ blackmailing Mon and more asking to know what all the sacrifice is for, maybe even be part of the decision making process, which he is absolutely unprepared for to be clear. I don’t know what he meant at the moment because everyone in the nascent Rebellion brass seems to communicate exclusively in double talk (it’s like their all bankers and politicians or something) but I’m kinda rooting for a good ending for the guy… maybe Cinta just dropped him off at his condo or something, right?

Eight years for a census is an eternity (plus two years)!

People have both given a hard time to, and defended the Yavin 4 band of rebels. I have my own thoughts about this.

Yes, the rebels are a fractured group, we witnessed that with Saw and his group already. But there is more to it. Not only can't a rebellion thrive without a clear leader, it can also not thrive when it fears itself.

First scene of season 2 shows us someone who is doing the right thing, but is so incredibly afraid to even look at Cassian, because she fears she might be "taken care of" for knowing too much.

Meanwhile the Yavin 4 group and Luthen are exactly the same. Sure Luthen (and his close circle) is more professional, but he is still very much scared, not trusting anyone, willing to murder people at a drop of a hat. Just like the group on Yavin 4. Fractured, scared and willing to take each other out.

A rebellion can not survive if their allies are afraid to look at them, if at any moment you might be taken out due to paranoia, if nobody knows who is in charge, or who to turn to.

So I think that they were showing that while Luthen puts on a more dignified game face, his cloak and dagger methods don't inspire people to fight, and essentially he is very similar to that band we saw.

Anyone else find it strange how Cassian went from complaining about not knowing how to fly the tie fighter and being "upside down for 2 days" to immediately jumping to hyperspace to get to Mina-Rau, then pulling off his attack once he got there? Seemed odd to bring it up at that point when we could have just assumed he honed his skills with it since his initial problems trying to steal it.

Before she takes her first shot, the camera is spinning around her, symbolizing how her life is starting to spiral out of control. Then when we cut back to her, the camera is still spinning around her but we see the crowd is also doing the same before she drinks the next two shots.

The final shot follows Mon spinning at the center of the dance floor that's circling around her like a whirlpool while Perrin stands at the edge (like he's going to be in danger of being sucked into the world of the Rebellion, perhaps?)

I haven't seen this pointed out in any of the discussion threads, but I feel pretty confident this was the intent behind the camera work in the dance sequence

Looking for the Chord Progression of “Niamos!” (Tarzana EDM Mix) from Andor S2E3 Wedding Scene

Hi everyone! I love the electronic dance track played at Leida Mothma’s wedding in Star Wars: Andor Season 2, Episode 3 (the one where Mon Mothma dances). I believe it’s a remix of Nicholas Britell’s “Niamos!” and I think it is called the Tarzana EDM mix.

I’m trying to figure out the chord progression for this track, for playing it myself. Has anyone analyzed this piece or found sheet music/MIDI files that break down the harmony? I know it’s a synth-heavy EDM-style track, so it might be simple, but I’d love any details you can share—chords, key, or even just vibes if you’ve dissected it!

If you’ve got a knack for transcribing by ear or know of any music theory blogs/forums discussing this track, please point me in the right direction. Thanks so much, and may the Force be with you!

Idk if this is obvious or been discussed anywhere (If it wasn't I could find it somehow) but it's definitely gotta be where his character is leading, either that or he'll die somehow since he's obviously not in the rogue one or the rest of the movies.

I have a feeling he's going to get in too deep and want too much control and come to blows with Saw or something, perhaps even Mon and maybe even his assistant lady (who might actually be the one in charge) has to have him killed or something and she slips into the background of the galaxy or joins the rebels or something.

I'm not sure how, but I have a feeling it's gonna come to head with Luthan one way or another

In the last episode we find out that Deedra was raised in an orphanage...

They look similar...

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Fuckin love this guy.

Is Perrin going to become an important character in the rest of the season? I’ve seen some other people talk about it, but I’m still a bit curious on where his character might be heading.

In the recent few episodes his speech at the wedding seemed heartfelt, and probably reflects on some points in his own marriage with Mon, but you can see that finding happiness isn’t that simple especially for her. Like Luthen, she has to give up everything, but in contrast Perrin has the luxury of being able to let go.

In the dance scene, you can start to see that he had a look of genuine concern seeing his wife so out of character and really letting loose. You can see that he senses that something is wrong, and how she is hurting. I can see that in the rest of the season he might actually start to put some stuff together and possibly become a character with more depth, rather than just someone blinded by money and luxury and ‘wake up’ in a sense to other people’s problems.

I’m not really calling it a redemption either, because he was never a bad character in the first place, he was just like everyone else in their culture/upper class society. But maybe that will change?

The juxtaposition between the attempted rape and the wedding was already jarring but might be viewed in another light as well.

I felt the wedding ritual had a strong emphasis on the daughter being given to the son "to do whatever he wished with" and it really makes me wonder about how this ritual was started.

The cutting of the braid also had a strong resemblance to the cutting of a Padawan's braid by their master, but rather than to be invited into the order of the Jedi the daughter was brought into the circle of the family. In some ways Leida was sold into a crime family by Mon to further solidify the Rebellion's position and was in the grand scheme of things little more than material.

The structure of Imperial society allows for the rape of those at the bottom, the structure of Chandrilan society allows for and tolerates the sale of children into marriage.

TLDR: Both scenes were about the commodification of women.

I'd always thought it was year first then BBY such as 5 BBY or 4 BBY. Episode 1 of season 2 has it as BBY 4. I looked back to Series 1 and it's the same - BBY 5. Is it interchangeable or have I been getting it wrong this whole time?

… taken a chunk of time to show us Tay’s assassination. I love this show for letting audience figure things out.

99% of the people who are complaining about that scene with Bix (including SW Theory) are saying that it was a full on rape scene, I'm 100% certain most of these people have not watched the show and just go off on what the grifters tell them. There was no rape! It was attempted rape and it didn't go very far because Bix fought back and killed him! It's a shame that the grifters have found Andor and are trying to turn it into culture war stuff

If you're reading this, you're probably aware of the discourse surrouding Episode 3's scene where the Imperial officer attempts to assault Bix before being killed.

It has been described as "Un-Star wars", and treated as though it depicted Bix being raped for 10 minutes, even though it did not show genitals or the rape itself. Why is there such an exxagerated response to the scene when themes of sexual violence have been present as early as ROTJ ?

Leia is enslaved, forced to wear sexualised clothing while being licked by Jabba. The Twi'lek dancers are also in the same predicament, and executed for fighting back. In many Star wars media, Twi'leks are almost exclusively depicted as they were in ROTJ Andor itself begins with Cassian going to a brothel and a red light district for more information on his missing sister.

So why was this scene in particular so outrageous ?

I have thought of a few reasons why, and the first is that to these fans, it simply was just a bonus, and not a depiction of cruelty, violence and control.

Leia was in a bikini, and that was sexy, so her being enslaved did not matter much. The Twi'leks were also hot, so why should we care ? They are portrayed as almost Jezebel-like women, which fuels the idea that "it just happens, and it's not a big deal". Strippers, Prostitutes, Dancers are not seen as extremely vulnerable and exploited people but as eye-candy, and the sexual violence which clouds their lives is completely glossed over.

It's very uncomfortable for these fans when these issues are brought to the forefront of the story instread of being relegated or ignored, or even used as comedy. They do not like to think about the sexual violence that is present within these institutions, because they either like it (seeing women in degrading sexual situations) or pretend it does not exist, whether it be in real life or in fiction. In a way, it is similar to the way people talk of incest, joking about it until it actually happens, and then merely depicting a victim of incest or letting them talk about their abuse becomes unbearable, "fetishy", and disgusting.

The second reason I came up with, is that often, done consciously or not, the depiction of sexual violence has often been made using aliens.

The discourse over whether aliens in Star wars can be reflections and parallels of real life cultures has been done to death, but I personally believe that it is the case (in at least some occasions, not all), and is very relevant to this situation. TPM has had debatres on whether Watto has parallels to stereotypes on Jewish people, Jar Jar Binks with Jamaican people, and the Nemoedians with multiple Asian countries (Thai, Chinese, Japanese, although this is the example that is less "direct" than Watto and Jar Jar Binks).

In ROTJ, the Twi'leks in Jabba's palace are the "usual" slaves, with Leia being a special case as she is captured trying to save Han Solo and wasn't previously meant to be one. I think it's worth noting that both of the actresses are non-white, Oola being played by a Black actress and Lyn Me by an Asian actress.

It is often heard that Star wars species are just that, species in a Science Fiction universe, and mean nothing more. Everyone knows the injokes about Twi'leks all being hot seductresses, and Rebels actively made an effort to have a Twi'lek female that wasn't a bikini babe in a cantina, but a fully fledged character.

The other women in Jabba's palace were also alien (Rodian and Theelin). Often in Star wars, sexual slavery, prostitution and violence is relegated to aliens. The obvious example as previously mentioned are the Twi'leks, but there is a varied assortment of species that also fall under these forms of sexual violence. There is a commodification of these species, and the violence inflincted on them must feel a lot less "real" to these SW fans than whenever it is inflincted on human characters, and they already care very little for that.

I think there are parallels between race in our world and alien species in Star wars. The Twi'leks are seen as exotic, sexual tools for those with the means to enslave them, they are only background props, not real people with personalities, lives, goals, fears and hopes. The actresses being Black and Asian makes me think of a parallel with sexually trafficked or exploited women of these countries (Black women in American culture, Thai and other Asian women in Asia and the Western world). It's seen as "expected" of them to be treated as such.

So how does that factor in that Bix scene then ?

I believe that a character as important as Bix, who is human, surviving a brutal rape attempt by an Imperial officer throws a wrench in the psyche of these SW fans. She is not some exotic sexy alien woman in a bikini, and the sexual violence is at the forefront The scene itself is not sexually gratifying to them, she isn't moaning or made to dance and show her butt. They scream, fight, and it's bloody, it's not treated as a joke nor can it be interpreted to be erotic.

But worst of all, Bix explicitely said what had happened. She mentioned that it was rape, and to people who get sexual gratification out of an enslaved Leia while denying that sexual violence happens, that is as violent and awful as the act itself.

I think the complaints from some people are valid, it definitely shook me to see that in Star Wars. But it wasn’t added for shock value, at least, I don’t think so. Bix has been fighting the empire far longer than Cassian and she’s already lost so much. Remember she had a boyfriend, a pretty good mechanic gig.

Seeing her still have such a fight in her despite all that was really inspiring, and is sort of what the rebellion is all about. Andor lacks clear heroes, Cassian himself does the things ‘for the greater good’ that are quite questionable. I think the show needs moments like this to make the battle lines quite clear. Fascists are evil, and the rebellion though imperfect is the best shot the galaxy has.

On a side note, as a girl the scene will probably stay with me for a while. But I do think that was part of the point. Just like the prison scene from season 1 will stick with me. “One way out” is very memorable, and shows how evil labor camps are/were.

I’m finally getting around to watching the season premiere episodes and all I have to say is the costume designers and crew better win an Emmy. The Chandrilan costumes alone should merit a win. Absolutely incredible!

With the recent success of Andor, and the general concensus in crafting quality SW, maybe its time to create a show on the Guardians. Chirrut and Baze may have an interesting backstory worthy of a series.

From the discourse I see, you'd think this was a stunning and revolutionary idea. But here's the thing. Many people like the traditional tone of Star Wars as a lighthearted, escapist, swashbuckling space fantasy adventure. Especially if one tends to actively like the fantasy genre, the OT and other properties more like it in tone are enjoyable to many people.

On the other hand, enjoying simpler black and white fantasy morality tales also doesn't mean one can't enjoy gritty, prestige dramas, or appreciate the fact that one now exists in the Star Wars universe. And one can acknowledge and appreciate Andor and other Star Wars while also acknowledging they wouldn't prefer that ALL Star Wars media be as serious and grim in tone.

It doesn't make one a simpleton to enjoy more lightheaded hero's adventure type tales alongside gritty and dark realism. Part of rational thinking is recognizing the cognitive distortion of "all or nothing thinking." In reality, things simply aren't nor have to be so binary, where one must pick one or the other options or preferences, and then proceed to attack the preference that's not chosen.

Many modern Star Wars shows take stuff from old legends stories and change it, they are clearly inspired by it. In old legends content there was a character that could easily be Luthen. I am talking about the heir to the empire trilogy by Timothy Zahn and the character of general Bel Iblis. For those that don't know, he was a character that worked side by side with Mon Mothma during the early days of the rebellion, he is portrayed as one of the key leaders of the rebellion in those days. At some point he feels that Mon Mothma gets too much power in the rebellion and that it corrupts her and that she might turn out to be a new emperor after Palpatine is dead, so he fakes his own death, goes into hiding and builds himself a secret army prepared to deal with Mon Mothma should she turn out to be a new dictator.

I think that would be a fitting character arc for Luthen since he is paranoid by nature and sees only the bad in people. What would you guys think about such an ending to his arc?

Hello, and before downvoting me, let me start by saying:
Season 1 of Andor was my favorite Star Wars show of all time.
I'm a huge Star Wars fan — movies, shows, books — everything.

That being said, the first 3 episodes of Season 2 were a big letdown.
I'll start high-level and then get into more detail:

Pros:

• Visuals are top-notch
• Some cool starfighter action
• Some character development
• The actors are doing a great job

Cons:

• Poor soundtrack, especially compared to Season 1
• Bad directing
  • The cuts are jarring and don’t land the way they seem intended to
  • Scenes lack depth and intellectual consistency
  • Long scenes that add nothing to the story or atmosphere
• (Badly integrated)Real-world American politics shoved in, too "on the nose" without much subtlety or care to fit it into the Star Wars universe
• Sexual assault — which was never part of the Star Wars tone and feels wrong here (this isn't Game of Thrones)
• Casting choices (Non main character see bellow) seem politically motivated instead of serving the story

Now for some more detail on the cons:

Soundtrack:
It felt incredibly generic.
There’s no memorable thematic weight to it, no emotional punch. Even the wedding music was just bland.
Usually Star Wars music sounds epic enough to listen to on its own — not the case here.

Directing:
This one’s harder to explain without rewatching, but an example:

The "gang fight" scene — I get the intent (showing disorganization and youthfulness of some rebels),
but it came across like a filler scene: weird, juvenile, almost like a bad teen drama.
It killed the tension rather than building it and made the rebellion feel cartoonish instead of desperate and scrappy.

Politics:
Let's just say it — the visa storyline was a terrible choice.
That kind of "modern paperwork oppression" just doesn't belong directly in Star Wars, especially not framed exactly like Earth immigration systems.
They could have easily portrayed it as a search for rebels or contraband without dragging modern visa terminology into it.

Also, on the social politics side:

• Villains/Empire = almost entirely white men (Empire was Pro-Human not skin tone or gender so diversity would be appreciated)
• Rebels = very mixed gender and mostly non-white In Season 1 and earlier Star Wars shows, there was more balance. Here, it feels artificial and deliberate, and it pulls you out of the immersion. True diversity would mean showing a realistic spread across both sides — not making it feel one-sided and preachy.

Sexual Assault:
I have no issue with heavier themes in fiction — when they fit.
But this just doesn’t fit Star Wars.
The scene was acted well, but it felt jarringly wrong in this universe.
And of course, it's a woman of color assaulted by a white man — adding an extra layer of current-day political framing that again rips you right out of the galaxy far, far away.

Final thoughts:
I still have some hope for later episodes.
But right now, Season 2 feels less like a gripping, complex rebellion story, and more like someone using Star Wars as a vehicle for clumsy, real-world commentary.
Season 1 felt deep, serious, subtle, and real.
Season 2 feels shallow, loud, and desperate to make a point.

(Thanks for reading. Genuinely curious if anyone else feels the same.)

Does Mon think they are “room mates” or was she being discrete?

after the 4th or 5th rewatch, I got the feeling that andor's conversation with the imperial defector invited a reading that he was both truthfully conveying his belief in the necessity & nobility of the rebellion but also protecting himself from a last-second change of heart with a perfectly scripted text.

that would fall right in line with trajectory of all the rebel characters who are on a path of adopting luthen's ethos. and that nearly every word they speak has (at least) a double meaning or motive.

curious if anyone else caught that vibe.

I decided to rewatch S1 and did a Leo point when I heard the song as Cassian entered the club.

I’m rewatching Andor season 1, and noticed something odd in episode 5.

Why would a captain ask for a promotion from a lieutenant? Do ISB ranks significantly outrank their army counterparts?

Also I note what looks like a costume error for Captain Tigo wearing a lieutenant rank slide, 3 vs 4 blue squares.