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I was looking around the internet to see if Joplin Sibtain, Brasso's actor, had done any interviews or even press for Andor Season 2, and haven't seen a thing. I would have thought after such a big moment, he would be a prime guest for the online interview shows.

All I could find is that he recently was cast for House of the Dragon. Just hope he is doing well, maybe he is just busy filming HotD.

they've read The Mask of Fear- especially Chapters 67, 68 and 72.

Huge part of the book is about her politics and Mon Mothma as a politician and how those change or persist as she witnesses the rise of the Empire.

The book is canon and I honestly find people who's trying to go over the themes the book already went over regarding Mon (Mon Mothma just wants to restore the same Republic that allowed the Empire to rise without realizing it's errors!) and being antithetical to the canon source*...* a bit annoying.

I wish at least Chapter 67 of the book is a non licensed material for the Andor viewers, it's the best and most heartbreaking realization Mon could have probably had.

Now I know where I've seen Krennick's secret meeting before. It's the same meeting staged in the movie Conspiracy! Wow, what a tie in

Let's not get confused. Syril is a stalker.

• The only reason he crossed paths with Dedra is because she hauled him in for questioning
• He then behaved inappropriately towards her near the end of this interview
• He then accosted her outside her workplace in an obsessive and pre-medidated act of stalking. This was severely crossing a line and I am shocked further action wasn't taken against him.
• While he did not know Dedra would be on Ferrix, his saving of her was not something to expect to be "rewarded" with romance. And he had a fucking blaster pointed at her.

In conclusion:

• Dedra owns Syril nothing
• There is absolutely no reason why Dedra would be romantically interested in Syril
• Syril has shown nothing but presumptuous and obsessive behaviour with zero regard for her repeatedly-stated wishes for him to back off

Sadly, by putting them together, the show has fallen into the age-old trope of a woman being "worn down" and finally "giving in" to the deeply inappropriate and appalling behaviour of an obsessive male stalker. I am deeply saddened the show fell into this trap.

I’m sure this season will be great due to the cast and writers on board. But far too often the hype from fans exceeds the quality of a show. The reason season 1 was so memorable was because we had little to no expectations for the show.

So my only recommendation is that you lower your expectations in order to enjoy it. Don’t expect absolute perfection.

I think Gilroy is setting up everything with intention. I think we already saw Luthen's warning about Tay from last season come to fruition. I think we saw Saw's warning about the rebels being lost come through as well. I think we'll see Tim's warning that Andor will get Bix into trouble this week as she will become a notorious outlaw this week. I think we'll see his paranoia about Bix and Andor becoming a thing be justified with bix becoming a mother of the rebellion. I think everyone who said or was asked "wouldn't you rather die." Will die for the rebellion/rebelling, so we'll probably see kino die fighting. I think Cinta/vel will be horribly scarred leaving them literally with what's left of the person they love. I think Andor will have to abandon Bix and their child/children to keep them safe. I think their children will be the ones who see the sunrise that Luthen dies for never knowing what he sacrificed to give them that future. I don't know if Bix survives or not but I think Andor's happiness with Bix is that critical thing that he sacrifices for the rebellion and their kid's safety is a serious motivator for him to destroy the death star.

That'd be a cool added twist

Since this topic has spawned a lot of discussion, I'm posting a few things I learned after a rewatch so they don't get lost in the dust:

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OK, I've finished my rewatch. As I said several times, I sincerely wanted to know the answer, not accept dogma or hearsay. Since nobody posted specifics, I had to dig them out myself.

Yes, Tay would have posed too high a risk for Mon, et al, for the following non-obvious reasons (to my slow & stupid mind):

1. Luthen would have learned about Sculdun's character and if he might pose a risk to the Rebellion at least a year prior due to their statue hunt "adventure". (E3 23:40)
2. By finally admitting to Mon he was chasing Sculdun for help with his troubles, (only because Mon could not focus on this at the wedding - didn't sleep night before) Tay became open to blackmail by Sculdun. (E3 24:45)
3. Tay would never have blackmailed Mon for a loan, given his feelings for her, but because he wasn't patient enough to wait until after the wedding, when he could have made his case for justifiable restitution or loan, and after Mon kept avoiding him, he felt he was running out of options and he felt he had to go to Sculdun in desperation. His marriage breakup probably made him feel even more desperate.
4. If Tay had come to Mon earlier (ashamed to ask for help because of his feelings for her), or kept his trap shut at the wedding and deferred his request, things would not have spiralled out of control due to Luthen's legitimate fear of his vulnerability of blackmail becoming to a risk to Mon based on his own knowledge of how far Sculdun might go.
5. It is doubtful that Sculdun would betray Tay to the Empire, given his disdain for them in the initial meeting with Mon, but blackmailing Tay could conceivably do just as much damage to the Rebellion (although Tay's job was done now), and if the ISB got wind of the situation, they would find out about Mon & Luthen eventually.

It's also pretty sad how many people on this sub took the perspective, "Yeah, just kill the whiny banker", but when asked for identifiable proofs of his treasonable intentions, very few could articulate substance.

Desperate, abandoned by his wife, unheard by Mon until too late, but also lacking judgment in timing his request, and especially by courting Sculdun. (not knowing the full risk to Mon)

A sympathetic yet tragic character...

THIS IS SHAKESPEARE!

Will he be in season two? I can’t seem to find any external info which says he is. Thought he would be very important in the rebellion and a good friend to Andor.

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Dedra mentioned she was raised in the imperial kinderblock and she was 3 when her parents were arrested. As clearly mentioned in the video, sonce its 4 BBY, she can be 18 at most while leading the AXIS project and the Ghorman project which seems absurd.

They both get hammered by the end of episode 3

1) What happened to Jesse, (the black woman who headed the Daughters of Ferrix.) No sign of her. 2.) Was Brasso trying to help the Farmer by saying he turned him in or did he really believe it? 3) I loved the Music for the Wedding Dance party. Pulling in the music from Niamos in Season 1 was a masterpiece.

I thought Cassian meant he was literally going to pick her up in the stolen TIE since they planned her head start, but after she was never mentioned again, I realized he meant it figuratively

Obviously he didn't, thankfully, though I noticed there's still a little bit of ambiguity about if he actually gave her the 12 minutes headstart she said she needed. But I think the whole thing was intentionally reminiscent of Cassian's introduction in Rogue One, where he reassures his contact that everything is going to be alright, and then murders him.

The parallel serves to bookend his presumable character arc for this season, from someone who reassures his contact sincerely to someone who kills his contact. And I think it's also part of a theme of trust that has been central to this season so far (and to a lesser extent the show as a whole). Cassian can't trust the Maya Pei Brigade, Mon can't trust Tay. But the guys on Mina-Rau can trust the farmers, and interestingly Syril does seem to be able to trust Dedra.

Presumably Cassian's faith in people is going to be further eroded by the events of this season to make him the person he is at the start of Rogue One, bringing us up to the other bookend.

Anyone notice the sly little in-joke with naming an Imperial "Sergeant Stang" in Andor 2.3?

For those old enough to remember (or who care to), "stang" was a little expletive created during the EU run in the 90's.

As many of us have seen, there has been a lot of discourse when it comes to Andor. And to be completely honest, I have seen zero criticism that is actually constructive.

Tony Gilroy is really exposing a lot of Star Wars "Fans" that have zero media literacy and expect the characters to explain everything that they are doing and why they're doing it so that they can understand what's going on.

One example of silly criticism I've seen is the Mon Mothma dance scene. "This is so cringe! Why is she dancing! This isn't star wars!". When in reality it's honestly one of the most heartbreaking scenes of the first arc. Mons life is crumbing right in front of her eyes. She essentially had to sell her daughter to fund the war effort, and signed off on the death of one of her closest friends. Her getting drunk and dancing with everyone is her way of coping with what she has done. It's a perfect example of dissociation.

It's honestly a miracle that this show exists. And I saw something funny on Twitter yesterday that said the one big problem with making Star Wars for adults is that Star Wars fans will watch it.

I personally love Andor. I think it is among the best star wars content ever written. I especially love the prison break, and think that the revelation that no one leaves the prison is really cool. However, I never really understood how that really works. If no one ever leaves the prison, surely they would tell their new group as soon as they got moved. Or maybe they are moved to a completely new prison where that is common knowledge? Maybe the answer is incredibly obvious but I never really understood it. Could someone please explain it?

Edit: this title should say Andor Prison confusion or something. Its probably not inconsistant

I remember reading an article that something like this before the show came out but I didn't read it very carefully to avoid spoilers.

Why is Mon an inspiring and unifying figure? I don't dislike her or think she is particularly at fault for anything, but she's a Core World oligarch with no particularly strong record. She doesn't match up to figures with inspiring narratives like Padme or Bail or Riyo. Even the name, "Alliance to Restore the Republic" would be a gigantic warning sign to me if I'm from the outer rim. It seems like Mon is fighting because the Senate is powerless, but when was the last time the Senate did any good for the Galaxy?

Don't get me wrong, I'd want Mon Mothma to join the Rebellion, but to put faith in her? Really?

So why does someone like Luthen feel Mon is important beyond money? Is it supposed to be "if even Mon Mothma is against the status quo things are really fucked up?"

Something I've not seen discussed is how the series is clearly including the concept of force sensitivity existing in this universe and it is being displayed in some of the characters.

When Andor comes to rescue Bix from her imprisonment she says that she had a dream of him climbing over a wall (which he did earlier in the episode), and then in the latest three episodes she has a dream of an imperial entering her home and dragging her by the foot, which later happens.

Martha similarly had a line about how strange it was that she felt like she could see the crowd while giving her recorded speech, which I thought was probably meant to indicate that she was somewhat able to see them there in the future while recording it, only in a very loose sense, in what might be expected in a population connected to this all encompassing force thing.

Outside of Andor, I kind of lost interest outside of Star Wars shows after season 2 of Mandalorian. Boba Fett seemed kind of hokey and never was much interested in Ahsoka. I've also never watched any of the cartoons except for when I was a kid. I heard Rebels is decent? What about Obi Wan or Skeleton Crew? I know nothing is gonna be like Andor but this show got me to care about Star Wars again after kind of giving up on it outside of occasional nostalgia watches.

I just miss Nemik too much. Every episode all I can think of is him, his words, his ideals, and ultimate ending; what would he do in these situations, what would he say?

I never felt this way about a fictional character before.

Casual fan here, just finished binge watching all of Andor in two days, I’m pretty sure it’s the only Star Wars show I’ve actually finished besides the clone wars and obi wan. Amazing piece of cinema, you could tell the writing and dialogue had lots of care put into it, I’m invested in every single one of these characters. The world and situations actually feel real. And don’t get me wrong, I’ve always hated the empire, but this show makes me REALLY hate the empire. The show feels really accurate to real life oppressive governments and leaders. Every time a bad guy is even on the screen I feel hatred towards them, this show did a really good job of making the empire just feel so horrible and not just a group of evil guys doing evil things just to be evil (which sometimes I feel like that’s how they’re portrayed.) And the entire prison arc of the show was AMAZING writing. I got extremely hyped when Andor asked the guy (can’t remember his name) how many guards there are per floor for the second time and he actually responded. The entire escape and then the zoom out to all the prisoners swimming away was amazing. Can’t wait to see where the show goes

Seems very grounded yet genuinely excited to get things done. If that makes sense.

https://youtu.be/ZNnmGY15o4Y?si=ZU7tqHHJIjRFT28C

I want Peezos. The greeny green ones!

Apologies if I’m missing something obvious here.

Denise Gough is 45 years old. Kyle Soller is 41. Let’s assume Dedra and Syril are a few years younger (say 30-35). In Andor, the current year is 4BBY. The Empire has been around since 19BBY. Therefore, when the Empire took power, the youngest Dedra and Syril could have been is 14. How could Dedra have been raised in an Imperial orphanage? How could Syril have played with Stormtrooper toys when he was a kid?

Hi all, I've got a long commute, and am looking for podcasts discussing Andor. My favorite is A More Civilized Age, though I'm still waiting for them to publish their first episode of season 2. Got any recommendations?

There’s loads about how lit the track is, but damn I can’t watch those scenes without openly crying. That experience of absolute overwhelm, when everything is burning around you and all you can do is scream and thrash, just to survive. I would say it’s triggering if it wasn’t so completely cathartic too. Anyway, yeah. I’m a grown man openly crying and going back for more.

For those who dare.