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I didn't notice this on my first read but there is a comment that TG made me reconsider how much influence Disney has had on Andor.

Rolling Stone-You're moving on from the Star Wars universe to do other things. Given that you're not moving forward in this world, what kinds of things can be done in the Star Wars universe that haven't been done?

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TG-They are doing a horror movie, I think, now. I think that Jim Mangold and Beau Willimon are working on an origin story for the Force, like a 25,000-year-B.C. thing. And anything that works is gonna work. The stuff that's gonna be lame is gonna be lame. But there's no reason not to play with this. I know there are people that feel like, "Oh, my God, why can't we just have the thing we had before and have it be great?" And I can't answer that question. I don't know. It's hard to do? People are tired of it? I don't know what the reason is, but there's a lot of real estate there. There's a lot of beings in the universe.

Look at Mandalorian, look how far away we are from Mandalorian. And yet they work. Mandalorian made our show possible. Skeleton Crew — holy shit, man. That's like a whole different flavor. It feels right. Smells right. I don't know. It is not my problem. But if it was, yeah, I think they want to think about it that way.

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Andor across both seasons made the Rakatan invasion a focal point for 2 artifacts Luthien has procured.

Luthien art gallery has had a bunch of easter eggs in his shop that had zero exposition.

Yet the Kyber Crystal and the Chandi Merl were given a lot of attention in both seasons by being used as tools to motivate characters receiving the gifts to do something important for the rest of the story.

After rereading this quote I think the build up these 2 artifacts tied to the Rakatan invasion isn't just simply easter eggs but Disney mandated tie ins because Dawn of the Jedi will require the development of the force in order to defeat the Rakatan Empire.

It has to be case because Davo Sculdan explicitly mentions the Chandi Merles were stolen 25,000 years ago and we have already been told last year Dawn of the Jedi goes that far back from the original trilogy.

Pro golfer Bryson DeChambeau? The name just seems way too coincidental. Who knows, this may be an Easter egg and I know names have been made in homage in SW before.

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we saw a lot of them already especially considering the wedding and the wheat planet hide out.

were still missing almost all the ghorman scenes with cassian and i didnt see the wide opening shot of a city with train.

i dont wanna rewatch every trailer so lets compile what we remember.

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Obviously I couldn't get all the shots in because there'd be too many but this is just a few. Feel free to post your favourite shots/frames, too.

In talking with the creepy Imperial officer, Bix claimed that Cassian was her husband - in two different conversations. It made me wonder if she was doing the unfortunately necessary thing of turning down a guy's attention by invoking her husband or if they actually had gotten married.

Bix had the Imperial officer pegged as a creep from the beginning, so she could have just lied about it in an effort to get him to go away peacefully.

Assuming the Star Wars universe legal system functions anything like ours, there are legal protections afforded to spouses, but I can't see how that would be of any benefit to Bix or Cassian right now. Cassian is a wanted fugitive after the events of Rix Road, and Bix probably is as well. Getting married wouldn't help that.

We do know that they were previously in some kind of relationship before Timm, but Bix seemed pretty exasperated with Cassian most of the time. The time gap between Season 1 and Season 2 could have allowed some reconciliation.

When Bix woke up with the nightmares, B2EMO said that Cassian would want to know. Of course, he cares about her, but it made me wonder if the nightmares are worse/more frequent when he is gone on a mission.

Any thoughts?

Apologies if this has already been posted, and I'm sure it has at least once. It's hard to keep up with this sub right now! But I really can't recommend this book enough to Andor fans. The Rise and Fall of the Galactic Empire by Chris Kempshall is also a good one. But, yeah, Mask of Fear- there's a lot about Mon, obviously, but you also get Saw Gerrera, and Bail Organa. It's set pretty much right after the fall of the Republic, too, so the politics are really fascinating.

Is there a star wars music genre that fits it? Could it be core drive? Electro-twang? electro-trash?

One thing I love about Andor is all the little bits of foreshadowing. This season we see Tay start to unravel a bit and turn to drinking. In Season 1, there's a moment where Perrin is drinking those squig drinks, and despite Mon's disgust for them, Tay casually goes, "I'll have one of those". I didn't think about it at all at the time because of how innocuous it was, but knowing where his character is headed makes me look at that small scene in a new light.

I am Fully in red string and corkboard territory. And I recognize this.

Perrin, as we know from Season 1, isn't particularly strict about Chandrilan traditions when it comes to weddings. He never shares his Exact thoughts but he's supported Leida as best he could and played the good Chandrilan father. He knows Mon doesn't like the traditions involved but...what can you do?

He put on a good show, gave the best advice his obvioisly imperfect marriage to Mon set him up to give, and went through with everything. He smiles for Leida and even shares a moment with Mon over Sculdun's absurdly pricy wedding gift.

He's enjoying the party. His friends and acquaintences and family are here. He's dancing to the music and moving with the crowd when he sees it.

No dialogue. No words. And in a single moment it communicates something to me.

Mon Mothma. Do gooder protecting the Separatiat remnants from Imperial bureaucracy. Friend of the oppressed. Upright and by the book Mon. THE Senator Mon Mothma, diligent and dutiful figurehead of the former Republic and now Imperial Senate's resistance to governmental overreach...is wasted and dancing like the priviledged upper class woman she is...and he slows to watch it with a look I know.

A look I have both seen on others and felt on my own face.

Perrin knows that something isn't just wrong, something is Hurting his wife on the inside.

And it was at that exact moment I thought, "Oh shit. They're gonna kill Perrin. He's going to try, for once in their marriage, to stand up and be the husband he thinks she needs or deserves or something...and it's gonna geto him killed."

I hate Disney with all my heart but I'll give em a chance with the question:

Is there any blood in "Andor" like there was in the original trilogy?

I've seen people mention that not all the Chandrila scores are on the release, but weirdly no one has mentioned the title themes. The one "main title theme" on the soundtrack is from the third episode, no first or second theme. Will they be released later or forever unreleased?

“she said you were cute”

“we started flirting… I like that”

“oh so you’re a healer”

“you and all your women”

Don’t know why but every time Cassian’s rizz is brought up it just cracks me up we all love a good ladies’ man rogue

I’m seeing a TON of back and forth about how SA doesn’t belong in Star Wars.

All I can say is this: What about “Slave Leia”? How is that not a fairly explicit example of the same implications? Is it more “excusable” because Jabba isn’t a human? Why is that hunky dory, and the Bix asssult an aberration?

Would it have been better for the Andor haters if the Imperial just put a chain around her Bix’s neck and made her wear a space bikini?

Yes, it was a tough scene to watch, but I didn’t find it out of place in the SW universe at all.

I just need to get this off my chest. I am feeling quite deflated about Nicholas Britell not scoring season 2. Understandable as to why, of course.

However, I am feeling the lack of Britell’s influence in Season 2. It’s apparent. Brandon Roberts’ musical approach, to me, feels pedestrian and almost absent. Remixes of Niamos aside! Britell’s season 1 score is so immersive, contextual, experimental and other worldly. Roberts’ feels disconnected. Am I the only one struggling with this? I’m listening to Britell’s score as I write this and I just can’t help shake the feeling that Season 2 is missing out. I think Roberts was the wrong choice.

the " final solution" vibe i get from those discussions gives me the chills

Seriously, a whole scene of silk presentation during a SUPER IMPORTANT meeting?

Seriously? Is Andor handsome? Do you really need that line to be there?

Seriously? "- It's 15 guns pointing at you! - Why would you tell him how many of us are in here? 🤡" "Got something to eat in here?🤡" Why rebels act like some evoks or hobbits? Do you really need that cringy comedy reliefs?

What's wrong with cameraman? I never pay attention to camera, cause usually the filming is smooth, but here the cam is so shaky even in scenes with no fighting or something like that (i.e. rebels check Andor's Imperial fighter). And that overuse of depth of field (i.e. Motma and others in the streets, than Luthen arrives).

How this is the best SW series? It's worst!

P.S. It's so boring, I didn't even understood does Andor have a sister and is he searching for her? (That's what he said at the very beginning of season 1).

Dedra said her parents were criminals. Do we think they were just common criminals or is it more of a political thing?

Even though we don't know how old she was when she was taken in by the Empire, I think she's too old for them to have been Separatists, but perhaps they were part of something that was retroactively seen as "criminal"

order Luthen Rael's death?

It seems pretty clear to me from the setup in these first three episodes that this is where these characters are heading. Especially if we're jumping a year ahead with each new three episode arch. At some point, Mon Mothma is going to have to make the hard call to save the rebellion for some reason or another. Loss and sacrifice in service of the rebellion is a major theme of Andor and Rogue One.

Or, do you think this isn't going to happen?

I find it interesting how out of touch the people at the wedding were to the realities of the Empire. They’re partying drinking in a gigantic mansion with every possible luxury while on the farm planet there’s nothing but abject poverty and because of that the hand of the empire is much more present. Almost as if the empire exists more in the world of the “peasants” because it exists to oppress them and at the same time it knows implicitly that most of the elite benefit from the imperial system so there’s less of an incentive to monitor them like they do with the working class. The contrast of going back and forth from the wedding to the fight on the farm world really accentuated this contrast to me. I’d like to hear all of your thoughts as well!

does anyone else see that scene as more of a positive thing?, I saw someone say it was like a phoenix rises out the ashes, the next step to her being a rebel leader and that was moreso my reading of it, a letting go of her past, I think it still is too forgot but it also can and is both.

I'm not saying she's dancing out of joy or having a good time but the scene itself is positive

I think a big part of the scene is a sense of freedom and liberation, something often associated with dancing, I think it's a more emotional layered scene then people are saying

A couple of details I noticed that I really appreciated in S2E3.

Leida told Mon “I wish you were drunk.” And a few scenes later, we see Mon getting drunk and dancing. Is it because she just “approved” (or at the very least did not stop) her childhood friend from getting terminated? Is it because she basically “sold” Leida to fund the Rebellion? Is it because she understood that her personal life is basically in shambles because of these two things, or because of Perrin’s speech? Is this her coping? Or is it her way of trying to make Leida happy? One thing’s for certain: at the end of the episode, Mon was drunk and Leida’s wish was granted.

And Luthen? Well, after he has that conversation with Mon, we see Mon joining the party. And there’s a scene of Luthen looking at her joining the dance and then a side shot of Luthen’s face while he’s walking away. To me it ties back to Luthen’s speech in S1 about giving up his humanity. Even at a celebration, he can’t have fun for a minute. He can’t join in a single dance. He can’t enjoy a single moment. Because he’s absolutely committed to protecting Mon the cause.

Absolutely amazing scene. Absolutely great show.

This is where you say, “Thesis, please”.

Now that Dedra and Syril are confirmed to be in some sort of romantic relationship, there’s been a lot of discourse about how they operate in the bedroom. Considering their personalities, most people seem to agree that Dedra would be likely to adopt a dominant role. I have my doubts about this. In this essay, I will…

From what we’ve seen of Syril, I don’t think he enjoys being submissive. He’s submissive all the time, and he’s miserable. His mother makes him submit on a daily basis and it almost sends him into an anxiety attack. But watch Syril once he has even a teensy-tiny amount of power. We’ve seen it in the way he managed his staff on Morlana and during the operation on Ferrix. The kicker for me, though, is how he links this feeling of power with his appearance. He modifies his uniform, his symbol of status, to look more flattering. Power makes him feel good. Makes him look good. Makes him feel like he looks good.

A better microcosm of Syril’s relationship with power can be seen in his introductory scene in Season 2. Look how he lords his modicum of authority over the new, somehow even more pathetic, applicant. How he makes his middle-management job sound like a divine calling. The clincher is the way he clicks to demand the applicant’s attention. He is locked in on dom mode in this scene.

I have less evidence for Dedra. I can totally see her not giving up her sense of control, even in the bedroom, but I can also see her enjoying giving up power in a controlled environment. The main thing that suggests the latter is the case comes from the preview scene in which she tells him to turn out the lights. Now there could be plenty of reasons for this. It’s possible that she’s repulsed by him (I’m still not counting out the fact that she’s just manipulating him to use him as an asset, because I really can’t see what an accomplished woman like her would see in him). If this turns out to be a genuine relationship, though, I can fully believe that Dedra would be willing to adopt a submissive role in the bedroom. I also believe she still wouldn’t like to be seen being submissive. I imagine the moment the lights come back on, she’s immediately back in Gestapo Mommy Mode again.

In conclusion, the bedroom is the only place in the entire galaxy that Syril isn’t a bottom.

Thank-you for coming to my TedTalk.

I paid Disney for their awesome $10 ad tier to watch the new season on my TV and got hit with ad rolls every 10 minutes as if Disney were some crappy video essay YouTuber trying to milk every last nickel and dime out of my viewing retention. I have Netflix's ad tier subscription and it is wayyy less invasive than whatever was going on in this. I'm pretty sure I watched about 4 ads per one episode, with each ad being 1:30 seconds long. So in a 40 something minute long episode, I watched 6 minutes of ads, meaning 15% of my viewing experience that I'm paying solely to watch Andor is spent watching Goldfish commercials and weird illegal medical advertisements. (sidenote: ad based subscription tier models are absurd and play out like a parody of a bad Black Mirror episode)

But whatever, right? It's just some ads, I can deal with that. The real issue occurred when I made the fatal mistake of trying to use Disney+ on my PC. During Andor Season 1, I had a cool setup with my widescreen monitor where I turned the lights down and played out episodes on my PC, kicked back a few beers, it was nice. Well, it turns out, you can't do that anymore! Sorry bud, we took that feature away! Because now, Disney is literally throttling their services for PCs and capping their streams at 720p!! Amazing! Have fun trying to watch the show on a computer or laptop! You'll quickly realize that the whole thing looks less like a multi-million dollar production, and more like a Minecraft letsplay that was rendered in Vegas Pro 8 and uploaded on YouTube in 2011. But wait, it gets worse! Because on top of all of that, Disney used to have an app for Windows where you could get around this limitation, but recently they just made it so that the app runs on Microsoft Edge!

So you CANNOT watch Andor Season 2 on PC, unless you can get really drunk and try to imagine what the show should look like in your mind. You have to watch it on either your phone or a television. I'm sure there have been plenty of other posts about this issue, but man, this one really got me. I feel like such a chump paying Disney to flash a bajillion ads on my screen, interrupting my experience every 10 minutes, only to go and try watching it on my PC and essentially be told, 'No.'

This is definitely the adult series for Star Wars couldn’t imagine my nephews understanding this show. I’m tasked with rating movies, series, and video games for them.

I know everyone's been buzzing non-stop about the dinner scenes between Dedra, Syril, and Eedy, but I wanted to add in my two cents to the discussion as well.

Given Dedra and Syril's frantic and perfectionist preparations for the dinner, many people assumed that they were going to be meeting with some intimidating higher-up in the Imperial hierarchy: Tarkin, maybe, or Krennic. I was definitely one of those people. When I saw Dedra's fingers twitching with nervousness while waiting for the doorbell, I thought, "Who are they having over? Darth Vader?!" Of course, the reveal that it's actually Syril's mom they've been so neurotically prepping for is hysterical, but after the episode, I was pondering over it.

It makes sense that Syril is anxious about his mom's visit; she loves to humiliate and find faults in him, and he's understandably stressed out about the possibility of this happening in front of his girlfriend for the first time. Dedra, though? Dedra who stares down ISB agents and tortures Rebels for a job? Why would she be intimidated by a nagging mother-in-law?

Then it occurred to me: Dedra never had a mother before. She has no personal experience to draw on for what to expect of this dinner with Eedy. Her only frame of reference for what level of interaction to expect is Syril—and Syril is freaking out! So of course Dedra is nervous; her one frame of reference for what to expect is treating the occasion like it's impending doom! I feel like this helps explain why Dedra seemed just as anxious as Syril about the dinner—and, consequently, why she was so willing to use ISB resources to prepare for it (i.e., pulling up the deets on Uncle Harlo). She may not know how to interact with mothers or mother-in-laws, but she knows how to put potential threats in their place, and judging by Syril's reaction, Eedy is a potent threat indeed!

So first thoughts after getting through the first 3 eps: Holy boats this is good.

It's not the relentless checking off of plot points that I suppose many were anticipating or hoping for but those were four excellent stories being told with lots of bits and pieces setting up more to come.

'I'm not sure what you're saying.', 'How nice for you' is a fantastic piece of dialogue.

The tension in all the Mon Mothma stuff was amazing. The jungle parts were a very Le Carré like way of using something apparently very small scale to imply the bigger picture. Lovely. The Bix scene was brutal but I didn't feel like it was gratuitous. The Empire is evil in all sorts of ways, large scale and small. None of it was what I predicted or expected but I don't think I would change a thing.

More please.

Watched the 3rd episode of Andor. The character of Mon Mothma is infuriating.

She has long ignored the friend who helped her save her and her family's reputation and freedom, and maybe even her life. And when she found out that he wanted to be thanked in return for his help not ignored her reaction was ‘Man, I'm shocked (—_—).’

Also in fact, Mon Mothma sold her daughter to cover herself and at the last moment, when nothing can be changed, she declares: - ‘Oh, I'm sorry let's cancel everything, my beloved daughter. But only if you cancel it yourself (ᵔ⩊ᵔ).’ At least the daughter put her in her place аnd then Mon Mothma immediately and defiantly took offence at her own daughter half a minute before her wedding!!!

And then, as I understand it, she betrayed her friend by letting things go because she not wanting to discuss things with him on the spot, but putting it off for a week, even though he had already waited a very long time.

What's wrong with the character Mon Mothma?

One of the highlights of Ashoka was Ray Stevenson's role as Baylan Skoll. He did such a great job and I am actually really looking forward to seeing what they do with the character in the second season. While it was recently announced that Rory McCann is taking over from the late, great Ray Stevenson, I think the actor who played Brasso is Andor should have been considered. He has the physicality and similar looks to Stevenson. I would love to see this actor in more things and I don't care if he's a hero or a villain as he just takes over every scene he is in.

Holy crap I just finished Ep.3 and this show is actually insane. Ive always been a Kathleen Kennedy hater and they’ve really been pumping out pure garbage but Andor season 2 is just a work of art. Every detail every vibe tells the story perfectly and it gives is a more realistic side of how the empire looked at this time in star wars. Every detail like Mon Mothma forcing herself to dance while her world around her is collapsing is just perfect. Makes me want to be a filmmaker again. This is how Star Wars should be

The SA scene. I think the reason some people feel like it "didn't belong" is because while yes we have seen instances in SW before of it, there was never a scene dedicated to the actual playing out of SA. It was a bold move and I think i was executed fairly well.

The thing that made me on the fence about it: lets not pretend like Disney does not have a track record of decision making to include things just to appeal to a certain group. Not saying its good or bad, but to say it doesn't exist would be foolish. And that's what it kinda felt like to me; less about a showcase on how cruel the universe/empire is in the SW universe and more about creating morale with the viewer base, which we can see it definitely did. Of course I might be biased, because I'm not the biggest fan of what disney has done with SW, but to me that scene sort of broke the veil between our real world and this fictitious universe, because to me it felt like it had an ulterior motive besides storytelling.

What would I do differently? I would've had Bix kill the guy before he could get close and grab her, because we didn't need that scene to tell us that he was predatory, he could've been killed early and we would totally still get the message.

Or, include the scene, and to really show that the empire is fucked and cruel, after she said to the other guy waiting outside that "he tried to SA me" I would've had that guy say something diabolical like "and you resisted?" and then he tried to go after her and Bix shoots him but he doesn't die right away and then he says something like "long live the empire" before she dumps like 10 shots into him. That way it would more feel like its part of the story, that the empire is evil, and not just the one guy.

Ok crackpots let's have it.

1. Daedra is queen
2. Daedra isn't in rogue one or ANH.

These points in mind, let's have your best "what happens to Daedra (and I guess Cyril also) theories.