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For anyone who is wondering the Niamos remix (or the song mon mothma was dancing to) is in the second half of the track "Brasso".

Takes me back to when I used to stream "A Long Ride Ahead" just to hear the Rogue One theme at the end :,)

Here’s what I think will happen in this arc:

• Dedra starts to feel pressure from the Ghorman project.
• Luthen and Saw Meet
• Bix and Andor share a romantic moment
• Bix and Andor are on a mission together
• K2's Introduction
• Bix Dies

I sure hope we get to see this guy!

(We need a "humor" tag, please! Just a funny video)

But it will be going forward

https://open.spotify.com/track/3vh4p7WIEZ6T4HRbOBMUP6?si=JxSB0EmFSdyyMFdfPIeK-g

I do not consider myself a member of this community, or largely the Star Wars fandom (Hi! Thanks for having me.). I felt compelled to make this post after realizing there were 3 episodes out of season 2 already and binging them.

It has been so long since I have just sat and watched and enjoyed myself with episodic TV. I’m sure there’s been more, but writing this, the best example I recall is actually Andor Season 1. So many stand-out moments there, already plenty here.

Seriously think about it, what was the last show you watched that you felt could be trusted with the themes it wanted to cover? Because especially after the 3rd episode, with how topical and well-handled the story beats were to our modern times, I am just really happy to be impressed by a show again.

I am so used to shows either butchering the execution and being used as ammunition for 5-7 years of comment slop online or pulling its punches before getting to the heart of the matter, and I’m just very impressed.

That’s all! I don’t know anyone who has seen this show and felt an impetus to share.

It might be just me, but I feel all the posts in this sub are geared towards people well versed in all things Star Wars.

I've missed all nuance this season!

Tony Gilroy is an absolute mad man. He has me absolutely locked in watching an imperial officer awkwardly meeting their partner's mom for the first time.

Dedra and Syril's storyline is so interesting because you jumpcut to them living a relatively normal home life while everyone else is fighting for their lives. Seems like Gilroy really wanted to enforce the sense of normalcy life provides when you give into and work within the fascist regime that is currently in power.

Honestly there storyline reminds me of "The Zone of Interest". A Nazi family living out a "Normal life" right outside a concentration camp.

!!SPOILERS!!

That whole last half of the episode was a rollercoaster unlike anything I’ve seen in a while. Everything felt so damn real, constantly bouncing back and forth between the lowest of lows and the highest of highs.

I’ll never get tired of how this show makes fiction feel so utterly tangible. The characters are all fully-realized people, and as a result, the things that they undergo and the commentary that they represent hits way harder than it does in most other stories.

Andor truly is something special. The show reaches through the screen and gives you a profound experience you never forget. Season 2 is blowing away my expectations so far 😍

Going into this season, there were a lot of questions about how Andor would handle a direct crossover with the Rebels timeline, as Mon has a pivotal speech announcing her commitment to the rebellion in Rebels after the Ghorman Massacre. There was some discussion over how Andor would handle this, with the consensus being more or less “eh, they might incorporate it, but if they ignore it completely, we’ll get it.”

In Rebels, Mon’s head of security is a character named Erskin who delivers Mon to the Ghost crew - and wildly, we saw him in live action in Andor in EP3. It wasn’t even a passing glance, it was a full conversation with Luthen where he reveals he was the child of a love affair.

When I first saw the conversation, I figured it was showing that Luthen scouted all of Mothma’s connections, even implying he traveled to the wedding planning to off Tay in the process. When I read the Rebels connection later, I realized that scene did way more than that.

It established that Erskin has a Ghorman mother. Showing why even after Mon’s declaration for the Rebellion, Erskin is going to remain ride or die with Mon when she goes on the run from the empire.

It’s incredible seeing Andor putting their typical attention to detail to enrich the larger Star Wars Canon (even from a “kids” show like Rebels), and it makes me excited to see how they incorporate the larger canon around it as they get closer to the Rogue One/ANH timeline at the end of Season 2.

In Episode 3 when Brasso got captured he blamed the farm guy for turning him in and I was really angry at the guy, but now I'm seeing people say Brasso was trying to protect the farm guy? Did he turn Brasso in or what? Explain it to me like I'm 7.

This is great fun!

My vote: Daft Droid

Just like Daft Punk, but more machine now than man… Twisted and Emo!

And of course who could forget their other hits like:

One More Chime (Ferrix Time Grappler Remix)
Around the World (Death Star x Yavin 4 Remix)
Droid After All
Da Force (Yoda Remix)
Droid-bot Rock
Palpatine Rules the Nation
Lose Yourself to Squigs
Instant Crush (Darth Vader Remix)
Harder Better Faster Gonker (Gonk Droid Remix)
Retrologic
I feel it coming (Alderaan x Hosnian Prime Remix)
Digital Love (B2EMO Remix)
Give Life Back to Palpatine (Exegol Remix)
The Game Has Changed (Wookie x Dejarik Remix)
The Grid (ISB Sector Remix)
Get Lucky (Karn x Meero Remix)

Any other possible guesses?

Something I've completely forgotten about is Luthen's surprisingly extensive knowledge about Cassian. At least, I recently watched Season 1 twice, and I don't remember this being resolved. As we saw, Cassian asked Bix how Luthen knee so much, and Bix herself said she was surprised how he knew certain things.

I wouldn't be surprised if it's just left as a mystery at this point, as it's not really the most crucial question and the show isn't afraid to just leave certain questions up to the viewer. I'm not even sure what answer would be that satisfying. Probably he or Kleya just did their research.

Has anyone else thought about this and got some interesting theories?

I might completely be seeing something that isn’t there but the end of episode 3 very much reminded me of the beginning of S1E1.

In S1E1 Cassian is (somewhat) minding his own business. He has a mission but wants to interact with as few people as possible and get away scot free. He ends up getting harassed by people he was trying to avoid. The first one he kills by blunt force. The second he makes a conscious decision to shoot.

Bix does the exact same thing in that episode. She is in a situation she wanted to avoid, she defends herself and the asshole dies by hitting metal after Bix hit him. The second she shoots.

Again, could totally be seeing something that’s not there but it seems to be an exact mirror.

UPDATE: Actually has some spoilers for later parts of S2 as well! Really good stuff here. Cassian's line about "home is Bix and that tells you what's happened in the past year" is just fantastic.

In the first episode of the show, Cassian gets approached by Nurch(?) and Murk (?) about money he owes Nurch. Nurch had hired or asked Murk to help him intimidate Cassian to get his money. Cassian, rather than address the main issue, immediately starts trying to pit them against eachother. He asks Murk why he's taking orders and ultimately dismantles their agreement a little to get out of the situation.

In the second season he does the same thing with the Yavin rebels, everytime he's alone with one he starts sowing discord or trying to create leverage or an ally. I just thought it was cool how consistent his methods are and how good he is at picking at people's motivations. Just thought it was a cool detail.

So exactly what do I need to know before watching the highly reviewed series?

i know it's not like that in the Expanded Universe nor in thr videogame where it's shown. But the fact the Avenger is a prototype in Andor and it featurong what it seems to feature a very powerful unusual cannon on the bottom (the one Andor kills the tropper with a skyrocket with) made me wonder if they will suggest that was a prototype of a new kind of cannons they will eventially lead the Resistance to know about the Empire developing a (much) bigger one for the Death Star. I guess next episodes will tell but i like to speculate! :)

I just don’t get it. People should hate Mon Mothma for what she did to her fighter. Instead we get hatred towards the second nicest mother in the show, and I wanna know why

So I was thinking over where the show put us with that one year time jump at the start. And I realised that we missed something, we missed something that I really, really wished we had seen.

We missed Luthen and Kleya finding out that the reason that the Narkina 5 prison factory suffered a mass breakout and complete loss of production was that the Imperial legal system accidentally put their new protege in it.

I mean Luthen knows Cassian is that guy right, because of Aldhani, because of his career as a thief before that, because Andor gets the drop on him and catches him cold on his ship on Ferrix after the funeral. Luthen already knows he is working with one of the best.

So I would just have really liked to see his face when he finds out about Narkina 5. Maybe he doesn't hear it from Cassian, maybe it's from Melshi or somebody else when word gets out.

It would be such a cool scene though, with Luthen and Kleya in awe like, "Oh damn, who the hell have we just recruited?"

Are there any other conversations that you would have liked to have seen following the events of season one?

This is probably going to get me burried but it just bugs me. First, I would like to preface this with this. I think Rogue One is the best feature length Star Wars Film - especially if you look at all the films as individual pieces and not as parts of a bigger story. Then, Andor Season 01 is one of the best episode-story telling there is, imo, competing with the Wire, Shogun, and Breaking Bad. Tony Gilroy clearly knows how to tell stories which is why I find Season 2 so irritating. It gets plenty praise but that does not resonate with me. It doesn't even matter how much we have yet to watch still. But the style in which the story is told just feels a whole lot different. It lacks the precision, the economic tightness S01 had. I can't help but wonder how the writers' strike affected S02 and how much Tony Gilory had oversight. Just think of the two first scenes, in S01 and S02:

When we look at Season 1, the first scene, we learn a lot about this world. Crucially, we learn that life is valuable and killing comes with heavy consequences. Accidentally a corrupt officer dies and his friend realises what it may mean for his fate. Cassian then kills the second one too, fully aware how dangerous this is; and he was right. This sets a benchmark: actions have consequences.

Hard cut to some foreign planet - how do we know? The group we get to see talks in a foreign language without any subtitle. Even in a broader sense, I cannot think of a single scene that could be ommitted without sacrificing depth, story and or plot.

In Season 02, this is totally different. We open with turquoise letters BBY4 and the info, that this is one year later. Then it cuts to a ship in a hangar. We see a young woman pressing a few buttons. Who is she? We cut to a wide shot of a building with text saying "Sienar - Test Facility 73". Ok, new place. I guess we learn some other time. We see some sort of cantina. Somebody sits there - we hear Stormtroopers. The person hovers the hand over the blaster immediately, ready to pull. Then the reveal shot with a wider lens: Cassian. They walk past and a lady comes in.

Oh snap, it is the lady from before. I guess she walked from BBY4 to Sienar? Oh BBY4 is Sienar? Anyway the lady from before goes to him. He calls her by her name. She gives him the password (which never comes up again). She approaches him. He is concerned whether this is safe for him - she acts weird.

In blatant cheap exposition we learn that he's infiltrated a testing facility (despite having a registered face, despite the fact that some branches of the Empire are looking for him). And she apparently is not allowed to look at him but is anyways because he says it is ok but she doesn't but then does. We learn rules but not quite or do we - I don't know. She is concerned. Wait, she is concerned too. Not Cassian (not anymore at least). Because there is no other way to show us this, she tells us that her hand is shaking. Somebody stops at the door, a woman. Our lady walks over. The woman by the door? no worries, it was just for a joke: Cassian is cute. We're told her sacrifice is worth it. She needs twelve minutes.

Cassian goes into the hangar, to the ship. Sticks the key in. The droid recognises him? Oh well i guess he forgot the password. Cassian immediately shoots the Droid the other lady interacted with before (why not deactivate that thing?). He enteres the ship, clearly confused with the ship. Thousands of buttons - he just randomly presses around. I guess anyone can become a Empire Test Pilot these days. Becaus of the ruckus he's caused, storm troopers approach, and shoot right away at what is supposed to be a test ship but apparantly not valuable enough for the storm troopers not to destroy it.

Cassian struggles handling it. Despite his struggle, multple fighter pilots of the empire fail to take him down. This sets a benchmark too.

Call me a glazer if you want but… I really cant think of an hour of television that was more entertaining and so well constructed than this for a VERY long time. They did such an amazing job of catching up with basically every major and minor character of the show and somehow managed to keep everything moving and avoid any lagging scenes with too much boring exposition. The escape scene with the tie fighter is one of the best star wars sequences ever imho. I love how we just jump into that story and we dont have to be handheld and told exactly how Cassian ended up in this situation. I was so blown away I ended up marathoning all 3 of the first episodes of s2 last night. Bravo!👏🏼

Wanted to write up on how I feel early on and look back after s2 has finished to see if I still feel the same by then, and figured might as well post it to see for fun.

General Impression

Yeah Andor is still the best D+ SW show. Sound design, acting, action and stuff were amazing. The sets look all beautiful and realistic, unlike some of Disney's other SW shows that have you wondering if all of it was just a money laundering scheme because no fucking way it costed 200+ million for how embarrassing they turned out.

Writing wise, strong start. They're slow burn episodes, but felt too long to the detriment of the pacing at times. Felt like they could've easily cut out a lot of the fat and padding to condense it into two tight episodes. Broken the rest of the post up into the main concurring plots.

Cassian

Everything with the opening Tie Figther breakout scene was top notch shit. There's something just so satisfying watching Cassian navigate through all the mechanics of the tie fighter, flipping them buttons and shit. The scene with the imperial enigneer was a cute insight into the person Cassian has become now. Pussy Cassian is dead, its big balls fully realised Rebel Cassian now.

Cassian soon meets a bunch of goofy goobers who just fucked up his mission. This bunch is the most unlikable and pretentious we've seen and yet they turn out to be Rebels. The rebel group being so comically incompetent is juxtaposed to the Empire planning their shit in the most civil manner possible. Shows how really fractured Rebel cells can become the moment they are leaderless, symbolising the overall disjointed Rebell Cause, setting up characters like Mon Mothma to soon take the lead.

However, I did notice something in this that I just couldn't get out of my mind in the jungle scenes. The dialogue is clunky and at times, way too twenty first century like. Its just too sleek and modern if that makes sense and kind of broke the Star Wars immersion. Idk if thats just me though.

ISB

Krennic is back to slap some cheeks around, loved him in rogue one so it was a pleasant surprise to see him. Always been a big fan of the Imperial officer scenes in the Original Trilogy and Andor is very faithful to this portrayal, so seeing them doing their thing and being COMPETENT has, and still is the main highlight of the show.

Farm Gang

Definitely the slowest out of the bunch. Shows a different perspective on the empire, through the lives of every day civilians. Not many thoughts on this tbh. I liked how the death scene was handled out I guess, it felt natural and they didn’t linger on it too long because they’re all battle hardened.

Mon Mothma and the Wedding

A bit mixed on this one. Personally, I think Mon Mothma's actress is outright the best out of the cast. Seeing her grapping with the weaking, leaderless rebellion, maintaining her cover, letting go of her daughter, facing the fact that she has to kill her old friend. But 3 eps for a wedding? This better lead to some Game of Thrones type shit because I felt they were padding this side plot out WAY too long to the point it felt like filler at times.

Luthien is there too. He's always cool.

Imperial love side plot and the dude's mum

Might alert the reddit horde on this one, but I really couldn't give less of a shit about what was going on here and ended up fast forwarding it. The dynamic was cute the first couple times in s1 but at this point, its just not working for me.

Given that Gilroy takes heavy inspiration from real current and historical resistance and rebel movements, it would make sense to have the rebellion seek aid from organized crime groups that also have grievances with the Empire. It would add an extra layer of moral complexity.

It is known that the Corsican mafia aided the French Resistance and Allies during the French occupation. Several Sicilian mafia groups also aided the Allies in Italy as Mussolini had it out for them. Obviously there was payment involved as well, as well as certain agreements where the Government would turn a blind eye to several of their criminal activies post-war.

Any guesses on what Syril’s mom was going to say she thought Dedra would look like? I’m assuming his mom was going to say herself, just to make it even more painfully awkward.

In Director Krennic's meeting 20 minutes into season 2 episode 1 of Andor there is a scene where they show promotional material of Ghorman in "the Great Valleys of Ghorman" in his meeting. I want to know how long "the Great Valleys of Ghorman" is before Krennic pauses it. It would be great to know how long "The Great Valleys of Ghorman" really is.

I thought the secret meeting where all these space fascists plan to plunder the natural resources of a peaceful world was a great choice. I enjoyed the two ministry of enlightenment goons and their pompous attitude.

If anyone else has seen the movie Conspiracy about the Wansea Confrence during WW2 the Scenes from episode one of season 2 really reminded me of that. Did a great job at getting across the banality of evil.