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Finally got to watch episodes 1-3 of season 2, and of course I just loved the dinner with Syril, Eedy, and Dedra. Dedra's apartment is devoid of joy and adornment, just as she is. It's wonderful how the script is show, don't tell. It's not, "we are a couple and mom is coming over." As others have noted, it's wonderful how nervous Syril and Dedra are: offering to cancel again; Dedra picking out her outfit (her wardrobe and abode devoid of color); the nervous fidgeting fingers; Syril and Dedra both try to bolt to get Eedy's preferred tea. Eedy is a guest but sees herself as in charge. Her first mistake, a fondon't!, is making a mess with the fondue (a popular dish in 60s-70s America, and a nice nod to when Star Wars first came out). But she is careless here. As any mom would, she probes her son's girlfriend. No doubt she'll have a backhanded compliment for Dedra's people or home world. That's her second mistake. Prior to that question she was having dinner with Syril's girlfriend Dedra. As soon as she asks that question she is having dinner with ISB Officer Dedra Meero. The set of Dedra's jaw. The tone of voice. Dedra might as well be in the ISB conference room. "Oh, you'd like to gather a little intelligence on me? Well, let me tell you about the background check I did on you all." Eedy thinks she's cruising to another Pearl Harbor with a feckless Syril, but this is Midway, and Dedra just sunk all of her aircraft carriers (sorry). And Dedra grew up an orphan in a KINDERblock or whatever it was. Nazi chef's kiss. Dedra got "everything she needed," but not a "mother's love." Well, if this is a mother's love... it's just so great. Can't wait to watch it again. And those morons on Yavin 4, don't even get me started!

I’ve been thinking about the timeline and scale of the Death Star projects and came to a theory I haven’t seen widely discussed here.

We know the first Death Star was in development for nearly two decades, starting in the final days of the Clone Wars. But the second one, which is significantly larger and more advanced, shows up fully underway just four years after the first is destroyed. That has always seemed like a huge leap, unless it wasn’t actually a reactionary rebuild.

What if the second Death Star was already in the early phases of construction before Yavin? Not because the Empire was stubborn or incapable of learning from its mistakes, but because it was part of a larger military initiative. The idea of multiple superweapons being built in parallel doesn’t feel far-fetched for a regime like the Empire, especially if you consider how many resources it had and how little regard it showed for cost or human life.

Andor already gave us a glimpse of the first Death Star under construction in its post-credits scene. With Season 2 covering the years leading up to Rogue One, could we get a hint or even a veiled reference to a second project underway? A subtle line about "the other site" or "a revised platform" would be enough to reframe the second Death Star not as a desperate do-over, but as part of Palpatine’s ongoing vision of fear-based control.

Curious to hear what others think.

I can say it without same, Andor is my favorite content related to Star Wars ever, and one part that I really like is Mon Mothma character.

I want to learn more about her, is there any content in any media that you can recommend? I think a novel just published recently, but what else?

I feel like I haven’t seen anyone talking about this, but what happened to Jezzi?? We last saw her with Bix, Brasso, Wilmon, and B2EMO fleeing Ferrix. We see that whole crew on Mina Rau except her, and no one even hinted at where she might be… is she dead?!

What do we think is going to happen in this next arc y'all?! I think we will start seeing the Ghorman project coming into play, and I suspect that shot from the trailers with Mon and Krennic at the party with Davo will be in this next arc. I also believe Beau Willimon wrote the next arc and Tony said he wrote something cool for Saw, so I suspect we'll get into the more militant rebel factions and how they're perceived in the galaxy through Imperial propaganda, etc. What do YOU think? It's almost upon us hehehe!

I noticed that the first chapter in season one ends the same way as the first chapter of season two.

Tony Gilroy used the same structure for the introduction of his show and it makes so much sense. Andor is now taking over Maarva’s role, the one that guided him when he was a kid.

Maarva is the one who started this life and Andor is the one who’s going to end it.

Even though we don’t see Brasso get hit, the last clip of the troopers firing has one stop running, slowly line up the shot and presumably hit the shot into his heart from behind.

The storm troopers can aim and hit things in this show!

It struck me when commenting on a different post that the proposed project on Ghorman is a direct reflection of the boots-on-the-ground efforts being conducted by Imperials on the agri-planet.

Krennick has essentually encouraged this clandestine group of imperials to embark on a grooming campaign that will eventually result in a rape and pillage of the planet. Subjugate the people of Ghorman into resignation or complacency,. Next, pillage the resources and leave the planet a hollowed-out husk which will collapse in on itself.

Bix is literally experiencing this process head on when the officer approaches her in e3. He attempts to ingratiate himself, attempts to comforts Bix into thinking his intentions are good and lure her into complaceny so that he can rape her, take what he wants and leave Bix in an ever worse state than when he found her.

Unfortunately for the imp, Bix was the wrong target for this specific attempt, but what of the Ghorman people? Will they fare as well, or will they mirror Bix's self defence?

Not asking for spoilers or speculation of upcoming episodes, but very curious if anyone else noticed these parallels

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Imperial audits are always accompanied>! by radio silence.!<

Shouldn't that have been a sign to Kleya that there might be an audit underway on Mina-Rau?

Unless this was the first audit the rebellion has been aware of wouldn't Luthen and Kley know Imperial procedures as relates to the audit?

People won't want to hear this but it's painfully evident to me. Did anyone else pick up on this?

Early on in this arc Beela, Wilmon's girlfriend, says her mom, Aneth, doesn't want her dating a toolie, or something along those lines.

Then after the imps arrive on Mina Rau for their census, Brasso, Bix, and Kellen(Beela's father) are scrambling to come up with a plan since the Ferrix Crew is not just undocumented but also they are rebels.

Kellen says "Don't worry, nobody here is about to let anything happen to you", which was his guinine belief but in hindsight I see as foreshadowing also.

As the arc goes on, despite the apprehension, Brasso, Bix, and Kellen seem to be ontop of the inspection teams' movements and Kellen forges an emergency work order to give the Ferrix Crew a legitimatized reason to move so they don't appear to be avoiding the inspection patrols, hoping they can get behind them and slip past.

Everything seems to be going to plan until as Bix and Brasso are just about to leave and they cannot find Wilmon. He's gone off to say goodbye to his beloved Beela. Aneth knows he's there seeing Beela because he left his speeder out front of the store.

Then the imps are seen approaching the general store and Aneth is walking out to meet them as they arrive, as if she was expecting them. The rapist officer wastes no time and immediately b-lines for Bix, almost like he felt he had an ace in his pocket.

Aneth then takes a uneasy look at Wilmon's speeder then Beela walks up to it almost as if she was about to get on it and ride away to make the imps think it was hers. Aneth snaps at Beela to go inside, and then gives a pretty damning "thanks for coming" nod in the direction of the imps.

Why did the imps show up now when it seemed like Brasso and Kellen were on top of their movements?

Then that POS rapist Nazi arrives at Bix's residence with a smug smile and spring in his step, like he knows his impending rape attempt is about to go off without a hitch.

First he attempts coersion. He says knows she is illegal, they are counting visas. But how would he know she is illegal without having checked her papers or chain code or whatever it is? Sure they are counting visas but unless they had physically found and verified every single person with a visa and Bix was the the only person on the planet they hadn't positively identified then the only way he could have known was... You guessed it, someone informed on her. Who would have incentive to inform on her? Well, the bigoted woman who doesnt want a toolie dating her daughter and doesn't mind burning the whole group tonger rid of him.

The attempted rape of Bix at this time adds credence to this. The rapist officer had already encountered Bix, in a 1-on-1 interaction in a secluded mechanical closet. What was stopping him from doing it then? He must have been waiting until he got to check her visa and have leverage for coercion. Which is why he b-lines it over to Bix with a hop in his step, he thinks it's a sure thing bow because she's undocumented.

Anyway I know this is a really sensitive subject and complex situation, and I know it's probably going to get downvoted into oblivion and I'll be told to touch grass orwgatever. so thanks if you actually read this and considered my opinion in good faith.

If you enjoy Andor, I have to bring some attention to the German TV show Babylon Berlin. It’s a historical drama that takes place in 1930s Weimar Germany, on the brink of the rise of the Nazis. Has the same blend of suspense, politiking, and decadent lifestyles contrasted with brutal violence amongst the oppressed. Great score too.

Given that it precedes Andor, I wouldn’t be surprised if the showrunners took some inspiration.

It's a planet sized field covered with crops. At some places as high as shoulders. And they are just sitting there and waiting for imperials to come?

For those who don't know, once you are just 100 meters inside the field you see almost nothing, you hear almost nothing and no one can see you. It's enough just to sit down and you disappear. Literally with 5 min preparation you can hide in plain sight. And they have speeders and a couple of days to prepare and all they did was to sit there and wait. Why? They could lift off at night and disappear in the field, no one could find them there it's a planet sized field.

Cassian is the lone ‘government’ pilot who lands in a jungle settlement, and is caught in the crossfire when their leader is killed.

I see a year old list of podcasts, but any Season 2 updated recs? Same as before? Thanks in advance—I need something to do while I wait till next week!😳

Hello, Reddit. This is my first post here, as I am usually active on finance subreddits. Am I the asshole for asking my friend for money at her daughter's wedding?

To provide background information, my friend -- we'll call her "Moon" -- approached me about needing a large sum of money last year. She had been able to withdraw money without issue for years, but it would garner too much attention now. We've been friends since we were children, and I work in the financial sector, so of course I want to help with her money troubles!

She wanted money for a "foundation," and it needed to be discreet. Now, I'm not saying that she wanted to launder money, but using my financial connections, I introduced her to a man who may or may not like his money ironed and pressed. She called him a crook, but, girl, you're wanting money through questionable means. What did you expect? The guy wanted to introduce his son and her daughter, and now they are getting married. Congratulations to the happy(?) couple.

Fast forward one year and I am not doing as well as I was. On top of my finances taking a hit from Rebel activities -- which she might have funded with her "foundation" -- my wife and I are separating. I tried telling "Moon" about this, but our busy schedules did not allow us to talk for long until her daughter's wedding. I left her messages explaining my situation, but judging by the confused look on her face, she apparently didn't pay attention. I listened to her concerns, but she couldn't listen to mine?

I told her that because I took a big risk and took a hit to my finances, I thought a payment for reimbursement would be appreciated. "Moon" looked shocked, and her art curator friend, "Luther," glared at me. You have heard the saying "if looks could kill," yes? What's his problem? I went to the wedding to support my friend and told her about needing money, and now I am typing this as I wait for my chauffeur to arrive. Am I the asshole?

Of course Andor is so amazing, but we never hear about the catering fir this show. I nean everybody involved with the creation of this series brought their A-Game. Production, directing, writing, acting, set design, costumes, hair and makeup, lighting, cinematography, effects, everything.

So you just know the food had to be amazing.

Can't wait for Tuesday!

is leida's crying at the end of episode 1 meant to he read as just cold feet? she's obviously someone for the arranged marriage, but maybe hasn't fully grasped the issues with that, outside of that one scene there's no other suggestion she's unhappy with the arrangement, even before the wedding, so I'm not quite sure what the scene is going for?

obviously there's another three years of their "relationship" to come

Interesting excerpt from a Tony Gilroy interview in The Telegraph recently:

Potentially equally testing has been the return of Trump to the White House. Has there any imperative from Lucasfilm to adjust the depiction of the Empire in light of a presidency that could be seen to mirror it?

“If I were you, I would ask me that question,” accepts Gilroy. “But it was all written before that, and I honestly want the show to be timeless. My characters are based more on Trotsky than Trump. I’m fascinated by revolutions. If I tried to sell a movie script about a young revolutionary dying for the cause, no-one’s going to back me. In fact, I’m trying to get a $40 million movie made right now; everybody loves the script, but they all say it’s really original. So, I’m f----d. But if you tell it as Star Wars, you have a place to play.”

I wish this guy was hired to write the sequel trilogy.

He will be clapping those chandrillan cheeks all the way to Nal Hutta. Or at least try to. This is what he means by 'I feel. undervalued'.. sugestingly.. The show is raunchy.
This is an adult drama, and this plot line makes sense.
People think this guy is talking about Number being money and down voting me.

I will check back here in a week or two when this old man tries to clap these chandrillan cheeks at their meeting and I hope you daft people wash my feet in salt and bathe me as your king.

Many others already understand this plot. Many others are daft.

She looks at luthen in cognitive dissonance and says something like what is the number.

To which he replies "if you dont know, thats the best thing for you" or something, when she then realises that its intimacy. She knew all along but was in shock. Because she has to do it, luthen will sacrafice anything for the rebellion and he basically nods saying yeah you have to *** this old guy.

Thats why she gets drunk.

It doesn't take a chipmunk to figure this sh*t out fam.

There were a few things I observed on my first watch that I haven't seen mentioned. However, these may have already been discussed as I am trying to limit what I look at as I am keen to avoid spoilers.

1) The portrait of Maava next to the coms is a nice little tribute to the great lady.

2) The music, the moisture evaporator (or whatever it is) plus the sandy colour of the wheat are giving off strong New Hopes tatooine vibes. Deliberate? Surely

3) DId Kell really betray Brasso and co, or was Brasso just doing the guy a favour by making him looks favourable to the Empire? This is how I read the scene, but am I right?

4) Speaking of Kell, is he the father of Willmon's girlfriend? The scenes suggest that he is, but this it is never said.

5) Mon"s assistant (or is this someone else) tells Luthen that one his parents came from Ghorman, the other from Naboo and their marriage was scandalous. What's with this? Is a dislike between these systems something previously mentioned in Canon?

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This is about the opening sequence of the new season. I've seen many people call it "more Mandalorian than Andor" and I fully agree, but couldn't quite put my finger on why. I enjoy knowing a plan and watching it be executed, that's why I love shows like Andor, Breaking Bad, Better Call Saul, Rome and so on. But I rarely have an issue with a plan failing - It's usually quite interesting to see how people adapt and outsmart each other. I also don't really have an issue with not knowing the entire plan - One Way Out is still a great escape sequence even if I don't know every step in advance.

I believe it's combining the two that creates the problem. It feels disrespectful to the audience, and doesn't challenge the writer enough. You allow any scenario to arise by limiting the audience's knowledge of the situation. By not knowing what each part are limited to or capable off, you are pretty much allowed to write anything.

Sure, we instantly realize his goal, but we don't know what's keeping said goal from being achieved; does he have somewhere to get to with the TIE Avenger, what means does the empire have for stopping him from doing so etc etc. Setting up how much air-power and how many rocket launchers they have, telling the audience which weaknesses are being abused to try to achieve the end goal and so on makes scenes like that interesting. We may not know the plan in One Way Out, but we know the setting (12 guards, understaffed, not carrying guns etc).

The other issue is that the plan is messed up by the interface of the TIE Avenger. This tells us that Andor has practiced an ordinary interface, or perhaps already have some experience with them... but that's not very interesting. It creates this roadblock that could've been interesting had there been a reason for it (someone giving wrong information, showing the project was so secret they couldn't get that information, or maybe even making it so that Andor knew it was a new interface, but had no idea what that specifically meant), but the way it blocks the road is boring, and the road itself is something the audience can't see.

I absolutely love the writing of this show... besides this part. It feels cheap. The best thing about Andor has been that every singular piece of action feels earned, chaotic, and like there's something to loose. Sure this feels chaotic, but more so in the Clone Wars sense than what we've seen previously from Andor. Actually, I believe this exact sequence took place in the Umbara arc...

I really feel like the whole conversation with the girl before hand and the "you're coming home to yourself line", all of that was great. But it ended up in a fairly generic action sequence where it felt as if the audience wasn't respected enough to get to know the setting, the writers weren't challenged by adding certain limits, and in the end it was all very predictable.

I get that this was an opener to the season, but that - at least in my opinion - doesn't justify the drop in quality, even if it was just for that singular scene. Looking forward to seeing how they're gonna open the next arcs, and really hoping they'll let the action be earned... this feels like a studio exec demanding a high paced/tense opening, but the show ultimately suffers for it.

Anyone else beginning to think Dedra will do such a good job for Krennic on Ghorman that she might earn herself a fancy new promotion as the head of the Death Star's security detail at the end of the series? Lot's of people seem to be predicting that she'll defect to the good side, but I just can't see that happening. Maybe Syril, but (imo) definitely not Dedra.

Cassian had 2, 4 if you count Luthen and Paak, people important to him left in his life after season 1. We're getting 4 arcs this season.

Cassian lost Brasso in the first arc. That leaves 3 people with 3 arcs to go...

He's going to lose someone in each arc isn't he? I assume Paak will be lost during everything on Ghorman, leaving Luthen and Bix left.

If I'm right, my money's on Bix being the last go, with Cassian being forced to kill or sacrifice Luthen in order to get Mon off Coruscant in the third arc (I assume).

Just a thought and ghastly realization I had after the first three episodes. I could also be completely wrong.

Does anyone recognize the piece of music playing in Season 2, Episode 1 at 00:15:41, when Mon is walking down the stairs?

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Dedra's apartment in a Coruscant skyscraper could be worth a fortune.

Has she risen so high on the ladder that she can afford the rent?

Or an ISB apartment block, like the Russian neoKGB apartment complexes?

Property confiscated from ‘enemies of the Empire’?

Or did Dedra seize the opportunity and using ISB information ‘made an irrevocable offer’ to the owner and ‘legally’ bought it for pennies on the dollar?

This is a deep canon pull which the show may or may not reference, but...

Saw blows up Moff Panaka on Naboo in 3 BBY (the year of next week's arc) and kills a bunch of civilians in the process, but crucially, almost kills Princess Leia too, who is visiting the planet at the time of the bombing.

This seems like a perfect thing for the show to reference -- or perhaps even depict -- in order to get Saw Gerrera involved in the plot more actively. You could surmise that this is the big event that pulls Bail Organa into the Rebellion in a more active capacity. We haven't seen or heard of him at all yet, but we know that he's a major player in the early Alliance. Something has to happen that convinces him to get more involved in things. He's been keeping a low profile for the sake of his daughter, but would probably realize after Saw's big fuck-up that he isn't actually keeping her safe by remaining uninvolved, and consequently, would decide that he cannot afford to remain neutral any longer.

Anywho, I feel like Saw pulling a 9/11 on Naboo just to take out one guy is a pretty good reason to get rid of him. He's more of a liability than he's worth. You could also surmise that one of the characters on this show (perhaps Luthen) is the person who takes it upon themselves to do this, resulting in Saw's grievous injuries and extreme paranoia as seen in Rogue One along with the fact that no one wants anything to do with him and he's hiding out in a cave on Jedha basically waiting to die.

People have been speculating that we might see Motham's Secret Cargo speech towards the end of the show. So, do you think we might see the speech from Leida's perspective? I think that would be cool.

Thank you, Tony for that bit of writing genius.

"I will get a number?" She kept repeating it and I wasn't understanding what that meant. Like more money for the rebellion?

Per the conference at the Malteen Divide, the Emperor's energy program (financial cover for the death star) will provide the galaxy with "unlimited power"?

Yavin 4 a scary place in The first arc of Andor Season 2. In fact i would loved for this month Halloween we get a horror story about Maya Pei's group from their ambush to their first meeting with Cassian.

I would loved for them to make the horrors more Edgar Allen, Dead Space style, Joseph Conrad's Heart of Darkness and Lovecraft style with Pitch Black. you could make it a horror survival story.

You could incorporated stuff from Legends like Kalgrath the Night Beast from the classic Star Wars comics and Exar Kun spirit while not showing the man himself just his whispers within his temple as one person separate from the Maya Pei's group stumble upon the temple of Exar Kun

Something lore akin to the fate of Prince Baldor from Tolkien. For context and this is from the Tolkien gateway:

"In T.A. 2569 Prince Baldor of Rohan, celebrating the completion of the great hall of Meduseld, vowed to traverse the Paths of the Dead. He never returned and his father, King Brego, died of grief a year later.[4] It is possible that Baldor was wounded by the last living remnants of the Men of the Mountains beyond the Dark Door, because the door was shut in his face and "enemies" had followed him silently, caught up with him, broke his legs and left him to die in the darkness[5][6][7]"

Imagined a similar story but with Exar Kun spirit whisping the maya Pei's group member separated, resulting in him going insane.

1st one is obvious, but it's nice to see the difference between the 2 scenes

The 2nd is more tricky Ost title helped me to understand the connection

Just noticed this review of the season. One section stood out:

>Finally, Tony Gilroy and arc writer Tom Bissell are not lazy heading into their endgame events, subverting expectations while earning some shattering outcomes that honor a cross-section of characters and their performers. There is also closure outside of Cassian’s fate, which completes the series’ thesis, emphasizing through community and a mixture of great individual and group sacrifice that darkness can be overcome.

Is this the first hint we've had that the show might have some kind of epilogue or brief denouement set after the run-up to Rogue One?