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I must have missed something because I didn't get why, in the flashbacks to Cassian's childhood, they live in a Beyond Thunderdome/Lord of the Flies scenario. What was the deal with that?

Vibing to galactic hit Niamos! remixed by DJ Disco Droid

Andor S02E03 Harvest

During the first dance, there's a rather Beastly gentleman in blue standing next to a woman in a gold gown. Coincidence or obsessed Disney fan? (Sorry for the poor screencap)

This is my low-likelihood theory, even though it’s a bit out there (and admittedly selfishly motivated).

We know how many of these characters end their stories, so the journey for them and the ending for others is the unknown. Luthen is far too ruthless, intelligent, and admired by fans to have a meaningless end, even in the brutally real show like Andor. I suspect that Disney can double dip and give Luthen a worthy send off while also establishing future content foundation. Here’s how I think they do this.

Luthen is going to get a major with with SOMETHING, after Dedra has already taken the new post, and I think (selfishly hope) that they’re going to have a young Thrawn show up, recruited by Yularen, to address the “Axis” challenge others can’t solve. Thrawn will be Luthen’s ruthless, intelligent, imperial counterpart, and will investigate by looking into related things, figuring out Mon Mothma’s involvement, and ultimately pursue Mon Mothma’s art interests to learn more about her. In doing so, Thrawn will show up at Luthen’s shop, and we will get to see one or two Thrawn-Luthen exhanges charged with subtext. Thrawn will use Mon Mothma as bait, drawing Luthen out. Luthen will know he’s going to die or get caught, but ultimately sacrifice himself into the trap in order to get Mon Mothma critical information (that he drew out of Eedy, Syril’s mom), and avoid burning anyone else. Mon Mothma, armed with Luthen’s information and connections, but without his protection, will flee, as we know she does in Rebels, seeing no other path for herself.

I think this could work because it gives Luthen a worthy end, ties into existing content well for known character ends, and also uses the opportunity to establish Thrawn as a more understood Live Action threat prior to Mandalorian and Grogu. I don’t feel that Thrawn had the opportunity on screen to establish himself in live action the way that would be needed to be a credible big bad in Mandalorian and Grogu. Thrawn doesn’t win because he’s stronger; he wins because he can outsmart even the “smartest” character we know of in Luthen. Easiest way to establish a character as dangerous is to have them defeat an existing character that’s known to be strong.

Blind spot acknowledgement: Thrawn is my favorite character, so it’s selfishly motivated, but it could work! And yes, I’m choosing to minimize all of the reasons that this won’t work. The writers have done such a great job so far in sure I’ll enjoy it no matter what, but give me a Luthen / Thrawn conversation at least!

Syril goes from a domineering mother to another.

We know they have multiple “information brokers” (ie Fulcrum in Rebels) not just Luthen. We know the Rebels have a well supplied and fully operational Fleet as well as a well established base on Yavin IV in Rogue One and ANH. The Rebels we see in Andor are nowhere near that level.

There’s not enough time for the Rebellion to turn from the scrappy, barely together bunch of disparate cells, to the organised Alliance in the couple of years we have left.

Andor is a super compelling story, but there is a little bit of dissonance watching it. I wish they had set it earlier, when the Rebellion was truly starting out. Perhaps they were bound by attaching it to Cassian. I also fear that the last couple of years are going to feel rushed, bringing everything up to speed.  

I get why Tony Gilroy had to kill Brasso. Because if he didn't he would've singlehandedly taken down the Empire in a single night using Maarva's brick

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This might be a dumb question, but I couldn’t catch why he was there in the first place. Was the whole purpose to steal a TIE Fighter? Or did he do something else while on the base?

Hi everyone :)

I just wanted to post my small fan theory about Syril and Dedra based on what we've seen so far, and what character arcs I believe they are meant to embody.

To preface, I love the actors and I am really enjoying both characters. However, when I come up with theories, I try not to focus at all on whether or not I like the characters or what I want I personally want for them based on what dynamics I think are cute/fun. Rather, I try to analyze the characters as story-telling devices, and only focus on how I think they're being used by the author(s).

THEORY:

I think Syril is being set up to either switch sides and become a rebel, or, at the very least, I think he will eventually regret his support of the empire and become disillusioned with the system he's been working to uphold due to its cruelty and lack of transparency.

Conversely, I think Dedra will not switch sides, and her support of the empire will get even more aggressive. I think she will climb the corporate ladder and overthrow some of the current leadership in her sector, and end up being a huge asset to the empire and running the sector she's working in with an iron fist.

I think the two characters will end up being enemies, and Syril will somehow become disillusioned with the empire through Dedra, either directly (she begins talking about her beliefs to him and he realizes he disagrees), or indirectly, with her simply being a vessel for "the government" as a whole.

WHY I BELIEVE THIS:

I've noticed that the show has gone through a lot of effort to make sure Syril is not consciously complicit in any blatant acts of oppression and violence, unlike the other empire characters. I feel like the best explanation for this is that he's being set up to be redeemed in some way, or, at least, is being set up to realize he's been manipulated and lied to.

Meanwhile, Dedra has intentionally been shown, multiple times, committing acts of violence and oppression. The way the scenes are set up makes it clear that she is completely aware of her actions and the harm they cause, and I believe they are also intentionally set up to show a lack of remorse.

EVIDENCE:

• Syril has not committed, or tried to commit, any acts of violence he did not believe were in self defense.
  • From the first episode, Syril sees Cassian as a random criminal who killed two innocent men with zero provocation. He's naive to believe this, but the show makes it clear this is genuinely what he thinks.
  • When he goes to apprehend Cassian, Syril only acts violent and aggressive towards Cassian himself. I don't think (correct me if I'm wrong!) that he's present when Bix's boyfriend gets shot, or when Bix gets beaten up.
  • When he does come face to face with Cassian, Syril's beliefs that he is a dangerous criminal are immediately validated when Cassian manages to escape and seriously injures several of Syril's coworkers in the process.
  • When Syril goes to the funeral in S1, he does not participate in oppressing the citizens on behalf of the empire. He is hyperfocused on protecting Dedra, and, in the process, does not harm any innocent bystanders.
• The show consistently reaffirms that Syril is *not* a high-ranking member of the Empire, and is not privy to the actual inner workings of the government.
  • It is shown, time and time again, that Syril is not trusted with "real" information.
  • Nobody is telling him about political plans, how the empire is oppressing citizens through misinformation and violence, etc.
  • Through his own ignorance and higher-ranking Empire characters' continuous treatment of him as somebody well-meaning but stupid, Syril is sheltered from the unpleasant reality of the system he believes in and fights to defend. He believes that rebels, like Cassian, are violent and unstable, and that the empire is made up of hardworking and earnest citizens like himself.
• Conversely, Dedra uses violence in order to frighten, manipulate, and glean information.
  • Dedra psychologically tortures Bix and another man, who are completely defenseless.
  • She does not believe that they are dangerous or that they're horrific terrorists, merely that they are scrappers/thieves that are unknowingly in contact with a rebellion leader.
  • She is completely aware of the effects of the torture, and is clearly not being forced to use torture as part of the interrogation-- she chooses to do so.
  • There are multiple scenes of Dedra very shortly after Bix's torture and interrogation, and she does not appear uncomfortable or remorseful about her actions in the slightest.
• Dedra is aware that the Empire lies and manipulates, and is an active participant in coming up with said lies and manipulations.
  • She suggests blaming the rebels to enact martial law on a planet in order to subdue the citizens and raid the planet for natural resources at the start of S2
  • She, in through her actions, uses propaganda, falsehood, and obfuscation as tools. She is aware that the empire is constantly lying to its citizens and committing mass killings, and seems to view this as acceptable.
  • When Bix is being tortured, the doctor explains that the sounds Bix is hearing come from an entire race that was killed by the empire in a genocide because they resisted their planet being used for its resources. The doctor is incredibly straightforward with this information, and this is not Dedra's first time asking the doctor to torture somebody on her behalf. While I don't think she's physically present for this scene, I think it's fair to glean that she is aware the empire killed an entire race for monetary benefit, and is not only okay with that as a standalone fact, but is okay with using recordings of the event to psychologically torture defenseless people.

CONCLUSION: The show has done a lot to make sure Syril hasn't chosen to be complicit in any acts generally seen as disgusting and unforgivable. He is, of course, complicit through his ignorance and support of a fascist system, but the authors go out of their way to make it clear that he himself is very susceptible to propaganda, and is unaware of the extent of the empire's violence and subjugation.

Conversely, there are a lot of scenes that make it clear that Dedra is not only complicit in this system, but actively understands how to use violence, torture, propaganda, and genocide as tools of fear and control, and is ready and willing to do so. She not only watches others commit these acts, she commits them herself with full understanding of what she's doing, and suggests further methods to abuse citizens.

I think this is a narrative decision to set Syril up for an epiphany. He will eventually realize that the empire is not altruistic and just, and it will cause him to become disillusioned and act on the guilt he feels.

Dedra, meanwhile, has no misconceptions about what the empire is doing, and is working to further its power. She is competent and intelligent, and is being set up to become a bigger player and make the empire even more violent and authoritarian.

What do y'all think? ^^

The juxtaposition between the attempted rape and the wedding was already jarring but might be viewed in another light as well.

I felt the wedding ritual had a strong emphasis on the daughter being given to the son "to do whatever he wished with" and it really makes me wonder about how this ritual was started.

The cutting of the braid also had a strong resemblance to the cutting of a Padawan's braid by their master, but rather than to be invited into the order of the Jedi the daughter was brought into the circle of the family. In some ways Leida was sold into a crime family by Mon to further solidify the Rebellion's position and was in the grand scheme of things little more than material.

The structure of Imperial society allows for the rape of those at the bottom, the structure of Chandrilan society allows for and tolerates the sale of children into marriage.

TLDR: Both scenes were about the commodification of women.

the dynamic between Vel and Kleya, and Val and Cinta?

Anybody else disappointed?

Outside of the big Niamos Remix (of a Nicholas Brittell theme), struggling to find any other really memorable morsels in Roberts' work.

None of the bubbling synths, playful bells, piercing guitar lines, little odd percussion choices.

Just a bit paint by numbers Bwam Bwam.

Any thoughts?

Why was Vel so sad at the end of S2 E3? She had just seen Cinta leave with Tay, and presumably knew or concluded that Cinta was going to kill him. But what made her so sad?

I've seen a few explanations that don't make much sense to me:

• "She was sad that Cinta was going to die" - but why? Cinta was an experienced operator and Tay seems like he wouldn't put up much of a fight. It didn't seem like a suicide mission to me.
• "She was sad that Cinta was so involved with the rebels" - but Cinta was already heavily involved with the rebels, and had already been involved in a heist against an Imperial garrison.

So what was Vel feeling?

Granted, it's been a while since I watched Season 1 in full, so I may be forgetting some key detail.

RIP Brasso, a cherished friend and leader. His death and Cassian's farewell embrace was heartbreaking.

Everything about the rebellion in Andor is currently isolated cells. Luthen seems to be the only one that knows everyone.

Spectre squad and the Ghost were also an isolated cell. . . right up until Ezra's speech. I think we're going to have to see the speech, or at least hear about it in Andor

We're following Mon Mothma. She's almost the main character in Andor at this point. But we know her story. She's going to leave the Senate and be smuggled out on the Ghost through a Maelstrom. We'll almost have to either see that or hear about it in Andor.

Cassian is currently working for Luthen, but it seems that he's working for Mon Mothma and crew by the time we get to Rouge One. The storyline in Andor is most likely going to have to explain that. We didn't know the date of Luthen, but I feel like some things are going to have to happen.

Ahsoka, Thrawn, and Agent Kallus are making waves in the galaxy during the upcoming Andor timeline. They might not appear in the show, but the Andor writers probably can't completely ignore them either.

There are many more potentialy crossing plot lines. I think some of them will have to be referenced in the upcoming Andor storyline.

You can certainly tell the same story from a different perspective, but the events on the timeline are big enough that some things will have to be referenced.

…Exactly what will happen to Tay Kolma, the moment he says he’s “undervalued”, well before Luthen implies his dark plan. It’s why she tears up, and flips straight into a practiced senatorial smile.

Masterpiece.

This is a supercut of Andor, and other clips from Star Wars I made in honor of the RoTS re-release. Re-watching Revenge of the Sith made me all the more excited to jump back into Andor and the Rebellion.

The only footage of Andor Season 2 in this is from the trailers. There are no spoilers for Episodes 1 - 3 that haven't already been shown in said trailers.

https://reddit.com/link/1k90eo1/video/1mqk08wbncxe1/player

Music used:

Andor Episode 2 Title theme, by Nicholas Britell

"Eulogy" by Nicholas Britell

"Light Summoner" by Audiomachine

"Exoplanets" by Audiomachine

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Is Andor watchable having just watched SW E1-9 or I should watch other cannon/non cannon first?

So we know Cassian and Mon Mothma will have scenes in Yavin IV in the later half of the final season but will Tony Gilroy allow us to see non Jedi characters like General Hera Syndulla or even Agent Kallus in the final season cause both are important figures in the Rebel Alliance especially cause we know The Ghost joins Admiral Raddus in Scarif during Rogue One.

I just did a rewatch, amazing…but something has been bothering me:

Marva says that it was an Imperial Mining Disaster, but also mentions Republic ships and that the Republic was gonna wipe them out if they didn’t leave quickly. I am just trying to figure out the timeline as Andor is supposed to be pretty young despite looking 35! When was Andor taken from Kenari? Was it during the Empire or before as he looks to be around 10-12

The necklaces that Mon and Lieda wear, which start as hair clips/barrettes and become really nice draped necklaces are probably the best example of star wars fashion I could see becoming a real thing in a long time…

...a fascist couple. The Syril and Dedra scene with his mother was fantastic. Probably the most powerful woman in the galaxy... with all the shit she's dealing with... insisting on meeting Syril's mother... and then telling her off lol. As someone who grew up with overbearing parents, I was cheering when Dedra gave her speech to the mother. Dedra clearly cares for him.